David Bruce Gateshead .....

[emmess]

David Bruce born 1835 Inch Wigtownshire died 1900 Gateshead

On birth of his son James Wilson Feb 1871 mothers' name was given as Margaret Bruce formerly SCOTT, but on 1871 census

David Bruce unmarr 32 joiner head b Scotland
Margaret GATES marr 24 boarder provision dealer
b Brampton Cumb
Mary Ann do 5 boarder b Gateshead
Elizabeth do 3 boarder b Gateshead
James Wilson 1 boarder b Gateshead
The two girls seem to be known as' Gates'

on all subsequent censuses David is joiner and provision dealer and Margaret is described as Bruce ( wife ) but I can't find a marriage or even a birth for the mysterious Margaret( Scott or Gates)in Gateshead or Brampton
Anyone in Gateshead got any ideas?
emmess

[nelmit]

David Bruce born 1835 Inch Wigtownshire died 1900 Gateshead

On birth of his son James Wilson Feb 1871 mothers' name was given as Margaret Bruce formerly SCOTT, but on 1871 census

David Bruce unmarr 32 joiner head b Scotland
Margaret GATES marr 24 boarder provision dealer
b Brampton Cumb
Mary Ann do 5 boarder b Gateshead
Elizabeth do 3 boarder b Gateshead
James Wilson 1 boarder b Gateshead
The two girls seem to be known as' Gates'

on all subsequent censuses David is joiner and provision dealer and Margaret is described as Bruce ( wife ) but I can't find a marriage or even a birth for the mysterious Margaret( Scott or Gates)in Gateshead or Brampton
Anyone in Gateshead got any ideas?
emmess

Hello,
I don't have a clue about what is shown English marriage entries but David BRUCE and Margreat GATES were married on 18th February 1877 in Newcastle upon Tyne (info from IGI).

Regards,
Annette M

[sporran]

Hello emmess,


just to complicate matters, a search on the Newcastle Register Office site at
http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/registrars. ... endocument
shows that Margaret Gates was also known as Margaret Robson - no mention of Scott.

The description of James as 'boarder' instead of 'son' in the 1871 census seems odd

FreeBMD has births of Margaret Scott in Brampton for the quarters Sep 1843 and Sep 1845, with the latter fitting in better with her age (particularly in the 1881 census). A birth certificate for Mary Ann or Elizabeth would give her maiden surname (if she told the truth).


Regards,

John

[emmess]

Thanks to nelmit and sporran for guidance.
Will have a look at what you suggest and see if I can solve this puzzle which has foxed me for ages.
Best wishes,
emmess.

[Ken]

Have found a David Bruce married to Margaret Scott 15th June 1864 Logie, Perth, Scotland on IGI Index.

I think the one in 1871 is a red herring as David is unmarried.

They are all on the 1881 Census including the son James W.

Best Wishes Ken.

[emmess]

Hello Ken,
Many thanks for your input in my continuing saga, unfortunately I don’t think this is the same Bruce family

David Bruce was born 28/2/1835 and baptised15/3/1835 at Inch Wigtownshire. He was the natural child of MICHAEL BRUCE and ELIZABETH SAVAGE - in total they had three boys but never married.

ROBERT b 1832 was with grandparents( John and Elizabeth Bruce) in Inch in1841 and was a pensioner (presumably –army) when he returned to live with his father and stepmother in Inch in1881, he never married -eventually taking responsibility for an extended family of stepmother and assorted step nephews and nieces until he died in 1898.
DAVID b 1835 was brought up by grandparents (John and Elizabeth Bruce). In 1851 age 15yrs he was still a scholar which seemed quite old considering other children of his age were usually working. I did hope he had managed to benefit from an extended education but he disappeared.
JOHN b 1837- neither he nor his mother Elizabeth were ever found again. I presume they both died.
I also presumed David had died as he didn't show up on any Scottish searches, until he turned up in the Gateshead 1881 census as a joiner which is the occupation of most of his step brothers. He is also on the 1871 census but don't know yet about 1861.
The 1877marriage to Margaret Gates /Robson (widow) dau of Thomas Robson gives David's father as Michael (husbandman) which fits as Michael was a farm worker in Inch for 37yrs. Robson surname remains a problem. Margaret‘s Scott's surname on James Wilson Bruce’s 1871 certificate seems nearly right( She is Gates formerly Scott when her daughter Elizabeth is born in 1867.)

Father Michael had another natural son with a different lady before marrying an Ayrshire blacksmith's daughter in 1841 and having a further 7children.-A total of 11 children.
Anyway thanks again for trying,
emmess