DEATH IN ENGLAND .....

[Skywave]

Hi All,
Looking for help to trace an Uncle of mine Peter Smith Hamilton who died in England in May? 1960 (Ashes were interred 23 May 1960). He was born in Glasgow on the 22 Aug 1911. I vaguely remember going with my Dad and Mum to collect the ashes of his cremation to return for burial in the family plot in Moffat. He was married to an Eva Defrato. My memory tells me he died as result of a rail accident, although dont bank on it.

I will gladly use my SP credits to do correseponding searches on SP to any one incurring expense.

Ron

[MaryE]

Hi Ron

I can't find a likely death registered in either the March or June quarter of 1960 in England. If he was born in August 1911 he would have been 48 in May 1960. In the June quarter of 1960 there is only one Peter Hamilton registered but he's 79 and there's no middle initial. In the March quarter again there is only one. He's 41 so would seem more likely. The reference is 1960 March - Hamilton, Peter - 41 - Hampstead 5c 897. Again there's no middle initial and the age is not all that close. I've looked for Smith-Hamilton as well but there aren't any.

Do you know roughly where he lived/died? It would be worth searching earlier quarters given that he was cremated as ashes can be interred long after death.

Mary

[Skywave]

Mary,

Thanks for checking I suppose I will have to go back to the drawing board (or tree in this case and see if any other clues I can unearth. Thanks for the time. Anything I can do for you contact me by PM.

Ron

[sporran]

Hello Ron,


I shall probably be going to my local Records Office in Hereford next week, and they have BMD fiches up to 1980. I can look at previous years for your man.

If he is found, all you will get is an index to his death. You will need to send off for the certificate, which costs £7. That's the system in England.


Regards,

John

[Skywave]

John,

Thanks, I will take you up on that. Any help required do not hesitate to ask.

Ron

[sporran]

Hello Ron,


I was in my local records office today. I searched for all Peter Hamilton deaths between 1857-1863 and found only 1 more, a baby, than Mary had already found for you. In case of errors, I looked further for Smith-Hamilton and then for names that could sound similar, such as Hambleton, but those I restricted to late 1959 and 1960. Nothing.

I shall go along with Mary's view that perhaps his ashes were kept by someone else, and it was only on the death of the other person that you went to collect Peter's. Alternatively, he died in another country and the ashes were collected from where they arrived in England, perhaps an Armed Forces establishment.

Sorry, but you will need to find out further information to stand much chance of success. I visit the records office several times in the year so I can work back on subsequent visits, when I get tired of searching for some of my elusive lot.


Regards,

John

[Skywave]

Sporran & MaryE

Thanks for your help looks like abit of at the moment, I will let rest until i speak to my sister and see if I can get any more info from her.

Ron

[Peter_Martin]

If your relative died in an accident then the Coroner would have been involved. Procedure is different in England in these cases. The Coroner will issue an interim death certificate and will collect the details necessary to register the death. The Interim death certificate allows assets to be collected in etc.

An Inquest is likely to have been held. These can be as much as three years down the line from death! Only once the Inquest has concluded will details of the death be entered into the Register of Deaths. There is no Register of Corrected entries hence no death registration in the immediate period after death. So it might be an idea to consider widening your search considerably.

In 1960 Coroners were appointed for each shire county. County Boroughs (larger towns) had their own Coroner.

Another point to consider is that Coroners in England can nominate certain registry offices to register Coroner notified deaths. In Oxfordshire the Coroner now uses Didcot Registry Office. This means that a death in say Banbury will be registered at Didcot which is at the opposite end of the county.

[joette]

Thanks for that Peter very informative & A warm Welcome To Talking Scot
hope we can help with any Scottish searching you are doing.