Thomas Campbell .....

[nelmit]

Hello all,

Never thought I'd see myself posting in this section!

The death of my husband's g grandfather Thomas Campbell born in Hamilton, Lanarkshire about 1845 has been one of my biggest brick walls for a long time. I have him on the 1881 census with his second wife Helen and children, minus his son Thomas born 1865.
I discovered last week at Park Circus, Helen died in 1882 and Thomas (a tailor) married his 3rd wife in 1885 - Helen Carruthers in Barr Street, Stirling.
Then he seems to disappear again.

This evening after looking for someone on the 1901 England/Wales census I had search for Thomas and there is a Thomas Campbell of about the right age and a tailor. There is no county or parish shown for a cross search with Helen. Does anybody know why they would not be shown? I am reluctant to pay £5 to look as according to Thomas Campbell b. 1865 his father was deceased when he married in 1899 but I have often wondered if he actually knew.

Hope this all makes sense,
Annette M

[sporran]

Hello Annette,


I could not find a Thomas (or Thos) Campbell of any age who was a tailor in 1901. Can you supply details of your search?

(Edited) Sorry, my error: do you mean the 44-year old?

Ancestry.co.uk are offering a 14-day free trial at present, and that will give you images of the 1901 census (and perhaps others).


Regards,

John

[nelmit]

Hello Annette,


I could not find a Thomas (or Thos) Campbell of any age who was a tailor in 1901. Can you supply details of your search?

(Edited) Sorry, my error: do you mean the 44-year old?

Ancestry.co.uk are offering a 14-day free trial at present, and that will give you images of the 1901 census (and perhaps others).


Regards,

John

Hello and Happy New Year John,

Thanks a lot - you should have felt free to call me a 'right doolie'.

Got my subtraction wrong. Had a look anyway and it's definitely not him.

Kind regards,
Annette

[sporran]

Hello Annette,


I would never call you a 'right doolie', and not because I have a different vocabulary. My first searches were on Thomas and Thos Campbell, 55 ±5, then I searched for a tailor of any age called Campbell, but I mis-typed the forename as Thomass - so my error!

Where was he for the 1881 census? I shall have a look around later today and that is a good starting point.


Regards,

John

[MaryE]

Hello Annette and John

I tried the 1901 census for the 1845 Thomas without any luck either and the 1891 as well. However, there are one or two possibilities for the son Thomas born in 1865. I know you said he was not at home in 1881 - do you know what happened to him later? Did he actually survive till 1881 and if so, have you managed to pick him up on later censuses?

I came across one of exactly the right age in 1901 who gave his occupation as Draper and Traveller which seemed a likely occupation for the son of a tailor and he was there in 1891 as well. Sadly I was then able to find him in 1881 living at home with his mother Margaret who was given as a seaman's wife. But there are one or two other possible entries if you think he might have gone south.

Have you managed to find any of Thomas senior's other children in later censuses? I saw John, Duncan, Alex and Peter in 1881 and presumably there are more. Campbell is a reasonably common name south of the border but any that you've 'lost' might be worth looking for.

Mary

[nelmit]

Hello John and Mary,

I do know what happened to Thomas Junior (I even have his picture on my wall) - I think he may be the farm labourer in Stirling on the 1881.
I don't know where he was in 1891 but in 1901 he is with his wife Ann Fraser Sutherland and daughter Margaret living in Kinning Park. He died in Govan in 1941. My father in law has told us some nice stories about him.

But as for Thomas Senior?? Mary has the right family in 1881.
I'm sure he will have died in Scotland and as I said he married for the third time in 1885 and according to Thomas jnr. he was dead when he married in 1899 but I've had no luck finding his death between those two dates.
I haven't been able to find Peter or the others either in later censuses. (Their names are pretty common. )
I've tried for marriages too using their middle names or initials but no luck

I'm visiting Park Circus again in February where I will be very methodical in my searching again.
I'm sure it will end up being obvious but meanwhile don't worry about it and thanks to you both for your interest.

Kind regards,
Annette M

[sporran]

Hello Annette,


it may pay not to be too methodical. Duncan McPherson Campbell married Catherine Adam in Paisley during 1901, and he stated that his mother (Helen, ms McKenzie) was deceased but not his father. Duncan was visiting the same address in the 1901 census, where Catherine was a boarder.

I am still rummaging around, but correlating parents or some of the children in censuses has not worked.


Regards,

John

[nelmit]

Hello Annette,


it may pay not to be too methodical. Duncan McPherson Campbell married Catherine Adam in Paisley during 1901, and he stated that his mother (Helen, ms McKenzie) was deceased but not his father. Duncan was visiting the same address in the 1901 census, where Catherine was a boarder.

I am still rummaging around, but correlating parents or some of the children in censuses has not worked.


Regards,

John

Thanks for that one John. I have always been open minded about Thomas jnr's statement that his dad was deceased by 1899. My feeling has always been that they were estranged by 1881.
Thomas snr. had a stepson (found when I viewed the 1871 census) James Whyte who I found on the 1881 census age 19 and boarding in Govan with a Smith family. James was just a baby when Thomas married his widowed mum. It has always seemed to me that the new wife was only interested in her own family but of course that's all conjecture.

Kind regards,
Annette