why cant i find .....

[joyce]

why cant i find any marriages of my dads sisters and brother have been looking for ages and nothing there names are
malcolm kenneth morgan-but the first names could be the other way round
winnifred morgan
helen morgan,all born in barnet middlesex
can anyone help solve this mistery
joyce

[Muriel]

Joyce

It's probably because the dates are too recent. The Scottish records have cut-off dates for what's available on-line & I expect the English ones do too. My brain isn't working well enough at this time of night to tell you what the dates are but it should tell you someplace in the info on the website what the cut-offs are.

Muriel

[SarahND]

Hi Joyce,
The problem is that not all the marriages have been indexed yet. It is an ongoing project. Ancestry says that only about 50% of the marriages between 1837 and 1983 are in the online index. Most of the ones indexed are too early to be your family. I assume these are their births? Wow, that poor mother... one every year-- not much of a break in between!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
Name:Malcolm Kenneth Morgan
Year of Registration:1893
Quarter of Registration:Apr-May-Jun
District:Barnet
County:Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume:3a
Page:262

Name:Helen May Morgan
Year of Registration:1894
Quarter of Registration:Apr-May-Jun
District:Barnet
County:Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume:3a
Page:250

Name:Winifred Morgan
Year of Registration:1895
Quarter of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep
District:Barnet
County:Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume:3a
Page:265

All the best,
Sarah

[joyce]

hi sarah
my dad was born 1896 but thanks for the information but i already have all there birth cert and i hve my dads marriage itthe others im trying to find out when there married but if there not listed i dont have any hope of finding them,shame as i,ve done so well up to now
regards joyce

[sporran]

Hello Joyce,


FreeBMD data is duplicated on Ancestry, and both allow search criteria to be entered. The years covered are up to about 1915 but they advance all the time (I am currently transcribing 1917 births).

However, findmypast (formerly 1837online) and Ancestry have all the statutory indexes 1837-1983 to view, but with no search available (because they are not in a datbase). Findmypast is a pay site, but with much better images and support, whereas you can view the records free on Ancestry, but you need to register with them (no credit card details are taken).

The technique is to specify the name and look through each quarter's index for matching names. From 1911 the spouse's surname is given. You must be careful with Ancestry, because they do not understand how to index properly. For example, if a name should have been inserted further up a column, the place is marked and the name to be inserted is written at the bottom. The numpties at Ancestry take that as the last name to index, so sometimes your name does not appear for a quarter. Make a note, search on a slightly earlier or later name, and jump a page.

As an example, suppose Ancestry were indexing animal species, and the list went from 'aardvark' to 'zebra'. Someone realised that 'jaguar' was missing, marked the place, and wrote 'jaguar' at the end. Ancestry would index this as 'aardvark' to 'jaguar', and a search for anything after 'jaguar' would produce nothing. They have been told - many, many times.


Regards,

John

[joyce]

hi john
i had been looking on ancestry but could.nt find any of them so i guess i will have to keep looking even though its rather painful as i have stitches in from opertion,but i need to find my dads family we use to visit one of his sisters in cornwall but ive tried there and nothing as i was only very young then,but thank you for your comments
regards joyce

[SarahND]

Hi Joyce,
Don't lose hope, since the records are no doubt there, but just not indexed yet. Do you have any idea of approximately when they married (e.g. when their children were born) or the names of their spouses? You may just need to wait on these ones for a bit.
Regards,
Sarah

[joyce]

kmow i only no winifred lived in cornwall i thought her married name was peters but ive looked and cant find her her children must have been born early thirtys as i was born in 1940 they were older than me ,there names were,vera ,william,emily,eric,hilary now hilary had alittle boy macolm who died when he was four and half or 5 yrs old,and i thought it was st ives but could have been truro,ive been looking for so long its only 12 mths i put my dads family together as he never mention them at all,only his sister winnie who we would visit
joyce

[SarahND]

Hi Joyce,
You've probably seen this death record:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2004
Name: William Henry Peters
Birth Date: 24 Jan 1931
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 2001
Age at death (estimated): 70
Registration district: Truro
Inferred County: Cornwall
Register number: B50D
Entry Number: 208

But no way to prove he is the correct William. And if their name wasn't Peters after all Hmmmm.

It is very hard to find them with so little knowledge and especially, with no index! If you remember when Hilary's son died, it might be possible to go backwards to Hilary's marriage and then parents. By the way, is Hilary male or female? That name can go either way and it does change the way one looks for him/her!

One thing though, we're getting close to discussing living people... which we're not supposed to do on the public forum, although I can understand that you would like to find your cousins. Not sure what the time frame is for the projected transcription of the FreeBMD marriages. John, do you know, are the marriages any farther along than the births? Is there any way to estimate when the marriages Joyce is looking for (probably 1920-1930) will be indexed?

Regards,
Sarah

[joyce]

her husband was lost at sea and when i use to go there aound about 1945-7 he was.nt alive then and hilery was agirl and she was,nt married,the only thing i do know when my dad died in 1954 his sister and brother were still alive if thats of any help,and emily use to be amidwife
not sue about malcolms death i think late 1940