katherine margaret kenny

heaross · Post by **heaross** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:02 pm

Can anyone help????

My step-grandfather is Francis kenny born in co. Wexford in Ireland about 1860.I know hw had a daughter in his first marriage called Katherine Margaret Kenny b. about 1880 in Dublin.I found them living in Fulham London on the 1911 census. I really would like to find his first wife, and marriage date. I know he married my gran in 1910 in London, so he must have come over to England before that. Any info. would be great, i've been looking for a long time without any luck.
Pat.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:57 pm

Hi Pat
I'm guessing you've already had a good search for him in the 1901 census for both England & Scotland.

Once the Irish census data is all online, that should help you too, but it will be a bit of a wait for the 1901 I think.

Have you tried a search for the daughter's birth abt 1880 on the LDS pilot site which has the Irish indexes? Might be worth a shot just incase there is an obvious candidate there. http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsea ... html#start

Best wishes
Lesley

heaross · Post by **heaross** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:18 pm

Hi Lesley, i've looked everywhere I can think of including the one you mentioned. I'm sure Francis the father died in 1934 in Marylebone in London as I don't know much about the information put on death certificates, would it list both of his wives? or do you think I should get in contact with Dublin and see if they can trace Katherine's birth certificate ?
Pat.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:06 pm

Hi Pat

I'm sure Francis the father died in 1934 in Marylebone in London as I don't know much about the information put on death certificates, would it list both of his wives?

I have a few English certs but I'm not sure if previous wives would be listed - kinda have my doubts given that even current wives are not mentioned unless they are the informant, I think.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certi ... .asp#bmd16

The details contained on a death certificate include:

Name, date and place of death.
Date and place of birth (before 1969 a certificate only showed age of deceased).
Occupation and usual address.
Cause of death.
The person who gave information for the death registration.

See Roscommon for details about requesting a cert:
http://www.groireland.ie/
http://www.groireland.ie/fees.htm
But it is far easier if you can locate the event and provide them with the reference, as the search they carry out only covers a couple of years either side of the event and they take spelling very literally, which is not always helpful with Irish surnames, though there can't be that many variations on Kenny, you'd have thought....

Do you have a copy of his 1910 marriage cert? Just in case there are any clues on there, but there may not be.

Best wishes
Lesley

heaross · Post by **heaross** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:50 pm

Hi Lesley, i've been trying to find information on Francis Kenny for 3 years. The latest info I have on him and his daughter Kathleen is from the 1911 census. It says on it Francis was born in Aylgate Wexford Ireland and Katherine was born in Dublin. I'm presuming his 1st. marriage was in Ireland and I also Know that Kathleen married Donald Maceachan Macilquham in 1907 in London, he was a Scot from Paisley. I would love to find out who Francis 1st. wife was and find out what siblings Katherine had. I have the marriage cert. For Francis and my great grandmother Annie Jane McLennan, who married in 1911 in Marylebone, London on it it says that Francis is a 50 year old widower and his father's name is John. It seems a lot of information but I can't find out what I want to know now.
Pat.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:06 pm

Hi Pat

It says on it Francis was born in Aylgate Wexford Ireland

Well, at least you have a placename to work with! Many of those who have Irish rellies will be well used to just seeing the rahter disappointing "Ireland" as a place of birth given on a census, which only confirms what you already knew and helps not a jot!!

Could Aylgate really be Oylegate?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oylegate

Best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:11 pm

On the pilot search at www.familysearch.org there is a:
Kathleen Mary Kenny, b. 1878, Dublin South, Vol 7, Page 821
- could this be your lass? Not quite what you mentioned, but close enough to draw my attention.

There are a couple of just plain Catherine Kennys too, which I suppose we cannot discount at this stage.

garibaldired · Post by **garibaldired** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:18 pm

Hi Pat,

I have 3 English death certificates from the 1920's and 30's which give all details of previous wives/husbands; I also have ones which don't!
As has been said it depends, as wel,l on what the informant knew.
Perhaps it's worth getting the death certificate - just in case.

Another thought - are there any clues in the names of any of Katherine's children?

Regards,
Meg

heaross · Post by **heaross** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:42 am

children fo Kathleen and Donald are
Janet Mair Macilquham b. about 1908 Marylebone London, she is 2 on 1911 census
Katherine in marylebone <after 1908>
Jean in marylebone <after 1908>
Donald in marylebone <after 1908>
on all mentioned the mother's surname is Kenny. I also found a death for Jean <after 1958> in Lambeth London on it the C. in her name stands for Carlton. You can see how frustrating this has been, that I can find all this and not find anything on Francis's first marriage. Maybe if I could out where he stayed on the 1891 and 1901 census it might help.
Regards Pat.

<post edited to remove birth details of those born after 1908, and one who died relatively recently. See Essential Reading http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6601
LesleyB>

heaross · Post by **heaross** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:30 am

Hi folks especially Lesley, I'm sorry for the mistakes I made on Tuesday in my post, i'll be more careful when I post again.You,ve all helped me a lot with the info. you gave me, I wouldn't want to get anyone in trouble. One of these days I might find out about Francis Kenny and his first family, maybe i'll try to find him in an earlier census someday.
Regards Pat.