The cost of a funeral in 1945

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The cost of a funeral in 1945

Post by marilyn morning » Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:13 am

Elizabeth was the first member of my Morning family from Scotland to be born here in the United States in 1884. She was my great great aunt and passed away before I was born. According to my mother, they called her Aunt Lizzie. Is Lizzie a nickname for Elizabeth in Scotland?

This link will show you the cost of her funeral, which I found to be fascinating, considering it costs me more today for one hundred gallons of oil to heat my home. :shock: Mind you, I'm not heating my home now, because its summer, :D but I heat my hot water by oil.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1579

If you can locate an obituary on a family member and the funeral parlor is still in business, you could call them to inquire if they have any information on file and willing to fax, post or e-mail to you. I was certainly surprised to see how much the family had spent on Elizabeth's dress compared to the other services provided. Especially, the grave digger's fee. Ouch that had to be back breaking work...

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Post by Currie » Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:05 am

Hello Marilyn,

When I see a name like Chester Flavell I can’t resist having a bit of a dig. On the Soc Sec Death Index there’s one born 1897 from Connecticut and one born 1900 from Massachusetts. Which one would you say is him?

I had a 2nd cousin once removed named Elizabeth, her parents were born in the U.S. in the 1840s, and I found her and her sisters in the 1899 L.A. Times social pages as "Lizzie, Sarah and Esther". I know Elizabeth died 1907, age 33, I don’t know what of, but I found a large ad in the L.A. Times, early 1907, for “Mrs. Bridge’s Cancer Cure” with a testimonial by a Miss Elizabeth of the same name, that seems to be her, claiming a complete cure. It sounds very much like it wasn’t.

All the best,
Alan

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Post by Anne H » Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:08 am

Hi Marilyn,
Is Lizzie a nickname for Elizabeth in Scotland?
Yes...Lizzie, Liz and Lilibet (Queen Elizabeth) and probably many others are nicknames for Elizabeth. :)

That must have been some dress! What was the "fine outer container"...the coffin - or was that maybe the $297 price at the top?

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Anne H

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Post by Ina » Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:41 pm

Hi Marilyn,

I have a 1945 undertaker receipt for one of my ancestors. It states that the cost of the polished coffin with name on plate, pitching and lining and robe was 24 pounds 15 shillings and sixpence. I wonder how much that would cost today?

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Ina

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Post by Thrall » Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:33 pm

Hi Ina, according to this website:

http://www.dorsetfunerals.co.uk/service.php

it seems that a coffin costs these days up to £2000 with a traditional service, no extras, but I did find very basic coffins for £600 elsewhere, and then there are the much vaunted cardboard coffins - break up (down?) much faster, and save kindling.

Guid hunting,

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Post by speleobat2 » Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:49 pm

Marilyn,

When my mother died in Jan. 2006 her funeral cost $6300. It wasn't a "bare bones" funeral, but wasn't far from it.

By contrast, one of the papers my sister found in my parents things was the receipt from the insurance company for my birth in 1950. My mother and I were in the hospital for four days and the total bill including the doctor's services was $75.00!

Love those old papers!

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Post by paddyscar » Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:42 pm

Hi Carol:

Your Mother got a good deal there! :lol:

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Post by AnneM » Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:31 am

I love those old receipts Marilyn. When you think what a funeral costs now. I'm sure even my father's funeral, 10 years ago now, was over £2000.

On the subject of oil, to fill our 1000 litre tank with oil recently cost us over £600, that's about $1200 for 220 gallons or so. Like you we don't have the heating on but we do have the hot water and the range for cooking! We take quick showers and do the laundry at reduced temperatures.

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Post by Thrall » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:04 am

Just to show the way the world is changing, I have just put two Germans on the ´plane to Frankfurt, and they pay more for their cold water than we in Iceland pay for our hot, which we use to heat, wash, bathe in.
Seems to me there is a lot more energy in 70°C hot water, but where you live makes all the difference, it seems.
FWIW my family uses just under 1K ton (1,000,000 litres) per year to heat a well built semi plus garage with an average outside temperature in winter of 0°C.
Only a few unfortunates in "cold" geological areas are left who have to heat with oil.

Guid hunting,

Thrall

P.S. And the summerhouse is heated with free hot water- but limited to 1/10 litre per second. T.

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Post by marilyn morning » Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:50 am

Hello Marilyn,

When I see a name like Chester Flavell I can’t resist having a bit of a dig. On the Soc Sec Death Index there’s one born 1897 from Connecticut and one born 1900 from Massachusetts. Which one would you say is him?

I had a 2nd cousin once removed named Elizabeth, her parents were born in the U.S. in the 1840s, and I found her and her sisters in the 1899 L.A. Times social pages as "Lizzie, Sarah and Esther". I know Elizabeth died 1907, age 33, I don’t know what of, but I found a large ad in the L.A. Times, early 1907, for “Mrs. Bridge’s Cancer Cure” with a testimonial by a Miss Elizabeth of the same name, that seems to be her, claiming a complete cure. It sounds very much like it wasn’t.

All the best,
Alan

Hi Alan,

I would say its Chester b. 1900 from Massachusetts. Elizabeth Morning passed away in Chelmsford, Massachussetts. Chelmsford is 10 minutes South of the New Hampshire boarder, for those of you wondering about its location.

Here it is 101 years later and we still are finding those miracle cures being advertised :shock:


Regards
Marilyn


Yes...Lizzie, Liz and Lilibet (Queen Elizabeth) and probably many others are nicknames for Elizabeth.

That must have been some dress! What was the "fine outer container"...the coffin - or was that maybe the $297 price at the top?

Regards,
Anne H

Hi Anne,

I thought so, but now would Lizzie also be a nickname for Letitia or would it be Letty?

When the page was scanned, I cut off the top half to protect her family's name, but here's what cost the $297.oo

Funeral Services for Elizabeth Morning ***********

Preparing Mrs. ******'s Embalming, Hairdressing, etc.
Other Professional Services fo Funeral Director and Assistants. Securing Necessary Permits and Use of Paraphernalia.
Casket as selected
Necessary removal
Organ Music
Hearse to Fairview Cemetery, North Chelmsford
One Limousine to Fairview Cemetery.

Regards
Marilyn


Hi Marilyn,

I have a 1945 undertaker receipt for one of my ancestors. It states that the cost of the polished coffin with name on plate, pitching and lining and robe was 24 pounds 15 shillings and sixpence. I wonder how much that would cost today?

Regards,

Ina

Hi Ina,

If we use the 2-1 dollar exchange that we have today (lucky us :? ) we're only talking about $50, seems a reasonable cost? What does "pitching" mean?

Regards
Marilyn


Marilyn,

When my mother died in Jan. 2006 her funeral cost $6300. It wasn't a "bare bones" funeral, but wasn't far from it.

By contrast, one of the papers my sister found in my parents things was the receipt from the insurance company for my birth in 1950. My mother and I were in the hospital for four days and the total bill including the doctor's services was $75.00!

Love those old papers!

Carol

Hi Carol,

When my father passed on in 1982, his funeral cost was $2,500 dollars without the cost of his plot figured in or the $1,000 they charged to open the grave. Oh, get this :? Our local newspaper was just bought out from some corporation in Texas. An obit used to cost approx. $150 for a few paragraphs and its now approx $800! :shock: Our local home town newspaper will put in their paper for free, so when I helped my daughter write (my ex) her father's obit a few weeks ago, what newspaper do you think we put it in? :lol: Never in a million years, did I think that i would be writing my ex's obit :shock:

My g gf John Morning older brother to this Elizabeth, was a character. He told my mother that when he was born at home in Scotland in 1882, that the doctor was paid with a shot of whiskey and 25 pence? I've no idea if this was true or not, but I loved be told about it growing up.

Here's a picture of John & myself a few months before he passed away in 1975....I still miss him to pieces


http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1581

Regards
Marilyn



I love those old receipts Marilyn. When you think what a funeral costs now. I'm sure even my father's funeral, 10 years ago now, was over £2000.

On the subject of oil, to fill our 1000 litre tank with oil recently cost us over £600, that's about $1200 for 220 gallons or so. Like you we don't have the heating on but we do have the hot water and the range for cooking! We take quick showers and do the laundry at reduced temperatures.

Anne

Hi Anne,

Ouch you're paying about $400 more to fill the tank then we are. :shock:
We're not letting our tank go to empty, we just have 100 gallons delivered every 10 days so we don't :cry: ourselves to sleep at night. The other half is already warning me to dress warm this winter, because the temp will be set down to 62 degrees. And I'm now to take two minute showers, gosh I can't rinse the soap our of my hair in that amount of time, of course he doesn't have as much hair as I do, so how could he possibly understand? :roll: Lately, if I stay in the shower too long, then he will flush the toilet to disrupt the cold water in the shower. So now, when he's in the shower, I throw a load of laundry into the washing machine. :lol: :lol:

Regards
Marilyn


Just to show the way the world is changing, I have just put two Germans on the ´plane to Frankfurt, and they pay more for their cold water than we in Iceland pay for our hot, which we use to heat, wash, bathe in.
Seems to me there is a lot more energy in 70°C hot water, but where you live makes all the difference, it seems.
FWIW my family uses just under 1K ton (1,000,000 litres) per year to heat a well built semi plus garage with an average outside temperature in winter of 0°C.
Only a few unfortunates in "cold" geological areas are left who have to heat with oil.

Guid hunting,

Thrall

P.S. And the summerhouse is heated with free hot water- but limited to 1/10 litre per second. T.
Hi Thall,

Who better to learn from, on how to conserve energy then someone who lives in Iceland? Hope all is well with you and yours.

Regards
Marilyn