That Barton Brickwall in the Americas? .....

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StewL
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That Barton Brickwall in the Americas? .....

Post by StewL » Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:12 am

Hello all

I was recently contacted by a distant relative, (we both have the same gggrandfather) and the funny thing is he lives here in Perth, Western Australia.

Even putting our heads together we have both hit the same brickwall with our Barton family history.

Now all of you may be wondering why it is posted in the Americas thread. Well originally based on the 1881 Census, it was thought he was probably born in the Caribbean, but now with the 1871 Census it says James was born in U.S. America. But as we know, that could mean a lot of things.
So really it is a last ditch effort on tracing John and Martha, if that is even at all possible.

John Barton B/D Unknown
M Unknown place or time
Martha Dunlop B/D Unknown

Known Children (only ones I have to date)
James Barton B. Abt: 1831 based on DC D. 15 Aug 1889 Shotts Lanarkshire
John Barton B&D Unknown (I Can’t find where I got him from though)

Although there is an age discrepancy, (when isn’t there) between Censuses, so his birth year is a bit uncertain. In fact his age on his death certificate appears to be way out, as is his wife Margaret McLuckie’s.

At this point I won’t bother filling in the more recent long losts.

Information from 1871 Census
Civil Parish: New Monkland
Parish: Clarkston
Houses North of Edinburgh Road.
James BARTON, Head, Mar, 50, Coalminer, U.S. America
Margaret “ , Wife, “ , 40, , Lanarkshire, Old Monkland
James “ , Son, unm, 20, Coalminer, “ “ “
William “ , “ “ , 18, “ , “ “ “
John “ , ” “ , 10, Scholar , “ “ “
Robert “ , “ “ , 7, , “ “ “
Alexander “ , “ “ , 4, , “ “ “


Information from 1881 Census
Dwelling: Bowhousebraes Cottage (James died here)
Census Place: Shotts, Lanark Scotland
Source: FHL film 0203704 GRO Ref volume 655-1 Enumdist 1 Page 3
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James BARTON M 65 (Other St…), America
Rel: Head
Occ: Labourer
Margaret BARTON M 61 Merryston, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Alexander BARTON U 14 M Airdrie, Lanark, Scotland
Occ: Coal Miner
Patrick NEUGENT U 21 M Ireland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Gen Labourer
John BARTON U 20 M Airdrie, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner

Well this is about it, the brickwall that doesn’t want to come down.
Stewie

Searching for: Anderson, Balks, Barton, Courtney, Davidson, Downie, Dunlop, Edward, Flucker, Galloway, Graham, Guthrie, Higgins, Laurie, Mathieson, McLean, McLuckie, Miln, Nielson, Payne, Phillips, Porterfield, Stewart, Watson

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Post by JustJean » Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:38 am

Hi Stewie

Sorry to get your hopes all up by making a post as I don't have any more new info on this one. I do recall it from last Spring though!! I'll be tying on my thinking cap to see if any new angles can be uncovered. Sure wish it was the family I found before St. Clair, IL...... :roll:

Best wishes
Jean

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Post by StewL » Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:30 am

Nae Worries Jean :D

I reposted this as there appears to be some information that James was actually born in the US. As per 1871 census, but of course this is only a guess :? But the fact that he is down as born U.S. America in the 1871 census is a bit more definite than the 1881 census where is down as born in St... the Americas :wink:
Stewie

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Re: That Barton Brickwall in the Americas? .....

Post by StewL » Sun May 27, 2012 2:23 am

I thought I would revitalised this post I made in 2005, you never know your luck.

StewL wrote:Hello all

I was recently contacted by a distant relative, (we both have the same gggrandfather) and the funny thing is he lives here in Perth, Western Australia.

Even putting our heads together we have both hit the same brickwall with our Barton family history.

Now all of you may be wondering why it is posted in the Americas thread. Well originally based on the 1881 Census, it was thought he was probably born in the Caribbean, but now with the 1871 Census it says James was born in U.S. America. But as we know, that could mean a lot of things.
So really it is a last ditch effort on tracing John and Martha, if that is even at all possible.

John Barton B/D Unknown
M Unknown place or time
Martha Dunlop B/D Unknown

Known Children (only ones I have to date)
James Barton B. Abt: 1831 based on DC D. 15 Aug 1889 Shotts Lanarkshire
John Barton B&D Unknown (I Can’t find where I got him from though)

Although there is an age discrepancy, (when isn’t there) between Censuses, so his birth year is a bit uncertain. In fact his age on his death certificate appears to be way out, as is his wife Margaret McLuckie’s.

At this point I won’t bother filling in the more recent long losts.

Information from 1871 Census
Civil Parish: New Monkland
Parish: Clarkston
Houses North of Edinburgh Road.
James BARTON, Head, Mar, 50, Coalminer, U.S. America
Margaret “ , Wife, “ , 40, , Lanarkshire, Old Monkland
James “ , Son, unm, 20, Coalminer, “ “ “
William “ , “ “ , 18, “ , “ “ “
John “ , ” “ , 10, Scholar , “ “ “
Robert “ , “ “ , 7, , “ “ “
Alexander “ , “ “ , 4, , “ “ “


Information from 1881 Census
Dwelling: Bowhousebraes Cottage (James died here)
Census Place: Shotts, Lanark Scotland
Source: FHL film 0203704 GRO Ref volume 655-1 Enumdist 1 Page 3
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James BARTON M 65 (Other St…), America
Rel: Head
Occ: Labourer
Margaret BARTON M 61 Merryston, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Alexander BARTON U 14 M Airdrie, Lanark, Scotland
Occ: Coal Miner
Patrick NEUGENT U 21 M Ireland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Gen Labourer
John BARTON U 20 M Airdrie, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Coal Miner

Well this is about it, the brickwall that doesn’t want to come down.
Stewie

Searching for: Anderson, Balks, Barton, Courtney, Davidson, Downie, Dunlop, Edward, Flucker, Galloway, Graham, Guthrie, Higgins, Laurie, Mathieson, McLean, McLuckie, Miln, Nielson, Payne, Phillips, Porterfield, Stewart, Watson

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Re: That Barton Brickwall in the Americas? .....

Post by SarahND » Tue May 29, 2012 7:15 pm

Hi Stewie,
You may have said this somewhere and I'm just not seeing it, but on James' death certificate, what occupation is given for his father John? Was he a coal miner also? I'm trying to find a way to recognize him on this side of the Atlantic and also give an educated guess which state he might be in.
Cheers,
Sarah

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Re: That Barton Brickwall in the Americas? .....

Post by StewL » Wed May 30, 2012 12:36 am

Hi Sarah
On his 1889 DC is father is listed as John Barton (soldier, deceased), mother Martha Barton (Dunlop)
Stewie

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Re: That Barton Brickwall in the Americas? .....

Post by LukeDanskin » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:57 am

Hi StewL

I have been Searching my Grans (Elizabeth Barton) fathers family past and seem to have got stuck on a james barton who was married to Margaret McCluckie. Their son Alexander Bartons' son James barton was my Grans Father.

I think i might have broken down a little of the brick wall, I have sent you a private message as I am not to sure how this works

I am from Airdrie In Scoland

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Re: That Barton Brickwall in the Americas? .....

Post by StewL » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:43 am

Hello Luke
[TS_welcome]
Great to hear from you. I have sent you a PM.
:D :D
Stewie

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Re: That Barton Brickwall in the Americas? .....

Post by StewL » Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:26 am

The search for James Barton in America is over.
It was a wild goose chase, due to misreading some census information. :oops:
It was the person above my James who was born in America, not my James #-o
A cousin recently pointed out the errors of my ways :D
Stewie

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Re: That Barton Brickwall in the Americas? .....

Post by garibaldired » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:33 am

:lol:

We've all been there at one time or another!

Best wishes,

Meg

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