Garngaboch, East Monklands

Lorna Allison · Post by **Lorna Allison** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:03 am

Hello Folks

I wonder if anyone has heard of a "Garngaboch in the parish of East Monkland" in Lanarkshire? I am trying to decipher a 3 page Settlement of 1724 (Hamilton & Campsie Comm. Court" which I got from SP and which I think looks hopeful in trying to shed some light on my Paul family. Looks as though this was a farm and the owner died when his children were very young. Have not found ref. to a wife yet in the Settlement and think it looks as though Trustees were being set up for the children.

I have tried Garnkirk, but that name seems to have remained the same over the centuries and Googling produces nothing. I seem to have forgotten how to get into old maps on the NLS site which might have been helpful

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I tried the Mitchell but was asked to email them and then wait for an answer - none so far.

Any ideas welcome.

Regards

Lorna

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:33 am

Hi Lorna
I was in NLS maps the other day and I thought things were a little different. I think there must have been some updating or redesigning going on...
http://www.nls.uk/maps/counties/index.html

Best wishes
Lesley

Lorna Allison · Post by **Lorna Allison** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:50 pm

Thanks Lesley

I have managed to maneouvre round the OS Map for New Monklands now. The older ones just don't want to zoom for me! I think I shall have to carry on trying to transcribe the Settlement and see if I can find out where a witness lived perhaps and guess the area from that. "Garngabuch" just isn't ringing any bells, even with nls. I am trying to find out what Church records to go look at in Edinburgh.

I have a gut feeling that this particular brick wall (which has bugged me for 6 years) is getting wobbly

Thanks for your help

Lorna

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:37 pm

Hello Lorna

Could it start with a C? Garn looks very Welsh. Could it be Carn something, meaning a mountain or large hill, either all one word or two words?

Is it possible to post that part of the document in the gallery?

Alan

Lorna Allison · Post by **Lorna Allison** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:41 pm

AAAAh! Well I did manage that a couple of years ago - following Lesley's instructions step by step.

With a helpful offer like that on the cards, I shall try to do it again. Will look for the instructions and be back.
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1615
<image URL added LesleyB>

Thanks Alan

Lorna

Lorna Allison · Post by **Lorna Allison** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:21 am

Right - I did that and hope it turns out ok. Sent it as a jpg as I did not seem to have a .tif option.

Please look down to the 2nd horizontal line on the left. Right against that is "John Paull of Garngabuch within the parroch (?) of East Monklands (?) of his decease who deceassed in the month . . . . .

Any and all bright ideas welcome.

Regards

Lorna

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:25 am

Hi Lorna
Unfortnately the jpg option has done no favours to the image. Any chance of posting it as the orginal tiff so we can have a good shot at it?

best wishes
Lesley

Lorna Allison · Post by **Lorna Allison** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:55 am

Hi Lesley and Alan

I should try to do that for a practice, but in the meantime I have had a post from Jack and he has solved the mystery. He directed me to a William Forrest map and there on the boundary of Monklands and Dunbartonshire (just where I would have wanted it to be) is "GARNGIBBOCK". That is good enough for me! What a helpful, knowledgeable lot you are.

For the record, when I asked the printer to save doc. as a black & white document it wanted to know if it should be saved as RTF or pdf or txt. How would I get it to save as a tiff? Just for future ref if you don't mind. I would quite like to try to post it so that I know how to do it.

Thank you and Alan, again for taking such an interest.

Lorna

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:17 am

Hi Lorna,

As far as I can see wills and the like are JPGs in their original download from SP, so changing it to a TIF will create a large file. What to do is to go back to the original SP download. If you no longer have that, then re-download it, taking the option to save it rather than view it. Keep that saved version. Each time you save and re-save a jpg, it re-compresses the file and the image quality degrades each time. Re-name the file if you like in Windows Explorer. If you have the file open and use the Save As command in your image viewing program to give it a new name, then you will be re-saving the jpg image, losing some quality from it.

Try uploading the freshly downloaded image into the Gallery. Should it tell you that the file is too large, then e-mail (e-mail button below) it to me and I will try uploading it (Admins have a higher Kb limit in their file upload).

In http://www.nls.uk/maps/atlas/thomson/470.html (top section) from the 1820s there is a Gurdeveroch. Could this be your Garngaboch? Go to the east end of New Monkland parish (in the north-east of this map). I see no sign of this place on any modern map.

All the best,

AndrewP

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:10 am

Garngibbock would have to sound about the same. It gets a few mentions from 1855 in the old newspapers all referring to the Rankin’s of Garngibbock and Darngavel. I can’t find anything for Gurdeveroch. Sounds like a good place for a quiet holiday.

Alan