Abbotsford Place Gorbals Glasgow

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Post by Davie » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:50 pm

Hi Maureen
Can you tell me how many landings and how many houses were in number 34 when you lived there?
Interesting to see your McNaught.
I have thousands on MCNts on record
Including all George hatches matches and dispatches and all Isabel dispatches.

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Post by momat » Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:30 pm

Hi Davie,

We had three landings in the close and from memory I think it was two on each ,we were on the top (THREE STAIRS UP THE WUMIN IN THE MIDDLE HOOSE HIT ME WITH A CUP )
Just thought I would add some fun to this .
I think there was only one flat at the entry to the close and that was on the left.The washhouse was through the back close past the left handside flat.
Would be interested re the McNaughts and will send you some details if you can help there
Also is there anyway of reading Census using only the address?
Thank you.

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Post by Davie » Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:39 pm

Hi Maureen
Thanks for info on number 34
Murder Murder Polis, right enough.
When trying tae find oor rellies.
Was interested to see the close would have been the same size.
As there were 6 families living there in 1881.
The Leiper family living at no 5 were in the residence on their own
While at number 3 Barbara McNaughton was living with her son William.
Along with 5 other families.
I would be interested to know how many rooms you had in the flat Maureen.
Inside bathroom?
There is a pic of Abbotsford Place in the Virtual Mitchell
Once you get the name on the Census returns, the page it is on has the neighbours.
With SP you have to go through page by page at a £1 go to see who all lived in the street.
Jack is yer man for this
Both Scran and the Virtual Mitchell have pics.
And here a guid yin for the Gorbals



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Post by momat » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:39 am

Hi Davie,

Our flat had its own fully equipped bathroom.
We were "Toffs" according to everyone.
There was an all purpose room that served as our dining/family /lounge.
A scullery off that, then the Bathroom, one bedroom beyond that all on the right side as you entered the flat. Next was the coal cupboard dead centre at end of hall, (poor coalman 3 stairs up) then to the left was what originally would have been the PARLOUR but became my parents bedroom with double bay windows.
There was only the 4 of us so not too crowded.
I went to Abbotsford Street School ,so very handy for home and my Grandparents lived at 71 across the street.
Now they did not have an inside lavvy if memory serves me right.

Maybe the Church Hall I mentioned earlier was at no 5 If Andrew Leiper was ministering there.
I have searched all sorts of Gorbals sites but that one you sent is new to me and I am going to print it off and put it with my research so the family can read it .
Still a Glaswegian at heart even though I have lived in New Zealand since 1960 !!!!

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Post by Davie » Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:09 pm

Greetin's Maureen
You were a right toff indeed, an inside bathroom Ooooh.
I have 281 Isabel McNaught-McNaughton-an deaths on record so far.
87 Georges

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Plantation Street

Post by Wee Ann » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:47 am

I was idly browsing the 'posts' from way back when , and I came across your letter.
My friends parents marriage address in the 1960's would have been 33 Plantation Street - a tenement building, but the ground floor was the Gospel Hall, converted from a former billiard hall.
We lived in Plantation Street from 1954 to about '58. A room and kitchen on the ground floor in number 46, then my Mum re-married and we moved into a wee bit bigger room and kitchen with an inside loo, two up in number 36.
I remember the Gospel Hall, across the street, our younger siblings were sent there on a Sunday afternoon to Sunday School, to give the oldies a chance for a snooze. My older sister and myself were excempt from this banishment and could choose our own destination, as long as we vacated the premises.
Visited in 2004. All changed. All gone. The only recognisable things were the Baptist Church on the corner of (what was) Craigiehall Street and the Presbyterian Church at the Paisley Road West end of Plantation Street.
Lots of memories there. Gone now, but never forgotten.
Thanks for letting me reminisce.
Wee Ann
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Post by pwm437 » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:36 am

momat wrote:Hello all and thanks for all the ideas etc;

The Groom George McNaught lived at 45 South Gorbals Street
The Bride Isabella Davies lived at 41 South Gorbals Street

The Marriage was 13th July 1894 at 34 Abbotsford Place accotding to the Church of Scotland Officiating Minister Andrew Leiper of Gorbals Parish.

I know that in the 1920-50s next to 34 was a Jewish Hotel and Restaurant
called Geneens and I am wondering if it had been a hotel prior to that .
I have a picture of it from a book about the Gorbals.

Geneens Hotel was at nos. 20/22 and existed from around 1931. It was run by Sophie Geneen, and was a popular venue for celebration by the local Jewish population. The building had previously been the premises of W & W Hastings, tailors

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Post by nelmit » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:19 am

Welcome to Talking Scot pwm. Nice to see another Glaswegian on the board.

Kind regards,
Annette M

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Re: Re 34 Abbotsford Place

Post by tbbanks888 » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:06 am

I'm REALLY late to this thread - but I only started doing my family tree today (2nd January 2016) - and I cannot believe just how much I've been able to do in just a few hours. I downloaded my Great-Grandfather's wedding info and he too was married at 34 Abbotsford Place - incredibly on the same date - 13th July - but in 1888.

Thanks for the info.


Jack wrote:Hi Maureen,
34 Abbotsford Place is where Andrew LEIPER, Minister of Gorbals Parish was living in the 1891 census.
So it would seem that the marriage took place in his house.
Here he is in the previous census - at No 5.
Dwelling: 5 Abbotsford Place
1881 Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203674 GRO Ref Volume 644-12 EnumDist 16 Page 2
Andrew LEIPER U 53 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Minister Gorbals ... Glasgow
Jannette L. MACKAY U 26 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Neice Occ: Housekeeper
Jane ALLERDICE OR MATHIE W 29 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Domestic Servant

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Re: Abbotsford Place Gorbals Glasgow

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