Donaldson.....

julie d · Post by **julie d** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:55 am

Hi everyone, I have only just found this site, and I am hoping someone can help me. My g.g.g. grandfather Robert Donaldson was born in Bathgate in 1806 I know his father my( g.g.g.g. grandfather ) was James, his mother was Janet Marshall but can't find a marriage for them, I know they may not have married, but without something else to go on I am stuck. I got all the information to date from Scotlands People site, but nothing on this, can anyone help, or at least tell me where I might find something more, I have also looked on Scottish Origins for a marriage without any luck. Thanks Julie.

CatrionaL · Post by **CatrionaL** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:25 am

Hi Julie

May I give you a warm welcome to TalkingScot

I didn't find a marriage for James Donaldson and Janet Marshall either.

Did wonder though, if you already had the following information from the International Genealogical Index at Family Search.

JANET DONALDSON Christening: 20 JUL 1800 Bathgate, West Lothian
JEAN DONALDSON Christening: 06 JAN 1805 Bathgate, West Lotthian
ROBERT DONALDSON Christening: 16 NOV 1806 Bathgate, West Lothian
THOMAS DONALDSON Christening: 21 OCT 1798 Bathgate, West Lothian
THOMAS DONALDSON Christening: 23 JAN 1803 Bathgate, West Lothian

Best wishes

Catriona

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:23 am

julie d wrote:Hi everyone, I have only just found this site, and I am hoping someone can help me. My g.g.g. grandfather Robert Donaldson was born in Bathgate in 1806 I know his father my( g.g.g.g. grandfather ) was James, his mother was Janet Marshall but can't find a marriage for them, I know they may not have married, but without something else to go on I am stuck. I got all the information to date from Scotlands People site, but nothing on this, can anyone help, or at least tell me where I might find something more, I have also looked on Scottish Origins for a marriage without any luck. Thanks Julie.

Hello Julie,

Nothing positive on James and Janet and I couldn't find them in Bathgate in 1841.
I did find Robert though on FREECEN - http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl although you may have this.

Piece: SCT1841/662 Place: Bathgate-West Lothian Enumeration District: 10
Civil Parish: Bathgate Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 1
Address: South Bridge Street

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
DONALDSON Robert M 35 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver West Lothian
DONALDSON Margaret F 25 West Lothian
DONALDSON Mary F 5 West Lothian
DONALDSON James M 4 West Lothian
HILL Thomas M 20 Mill Wright Outside Census County (1841)

Regards,
Annette M

julie d · Post by **julie d** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:42 pm

Thanks for the quick replies, Catriona- the only one I recognise is Robert I did have those birth details, the others are not in any records I have found. Annette- Robert sounds right by age, Margaret I had at a couple of years older , but you know these old records are sometimes a bit off. The children I don't have, but I only got back to the 1861 census so by then they could have left home? could you tell me how to access the 1851, 1841 census if possible. Thanks Julie.

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:03 pm

julie d wrote:Thanks for the quick replies, Catriona- the only one I recognise is Robert I did have those birth details, the others are not in any records I have found. Annette- Robert sounds right by age, Margaret I had at a couple of years older , but you know these old records are sometimes a bit off. The children I don't have, but I only got back to the 1861 census so by then they could have left home? could you tell me how to access the 1851, 1841 census if possible. Thanks Julie.

Hello Julie,

http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Freecen has most of West Lothian in 1841 but nothing in 1851. Hopefully (as ever) it will be on SP soon.
Remember the ages are rounded down to the nearest 5, if you are aged over 15 years, in 1841.

Regards,
Annette M

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:27 pm

Hi Julie,
To add to Annette's 1841, here's the family in 1851 - which should soon be online at ScotlandsPeople.
Details below are from an excellent census CD issued by the West Lothian FHS; http://www.wlfhs.org.uk/
You mention that you thought Margaret was a wee bit older than her 25yrs in 1841.
The ages in 1841 should've been "rounded down". Click on Census at the top of the TS page for an explanation.
[Annette's explained!]
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1851 cens 662 (585) Ed4 p39 (Bathgate)
South Bridge Street.
Robert DONALDSON, head, marr, 44, handloom weaver (cotton), b Bathgate, WLN
Margaret DONALDSON, wife, marr, 38, --------------------------------b Bathgate, WLN
Mary DONALDSON, daur, 15, handloom weaver (cotton) appr, b Bathgate, WLN
James DONALDSON, son, 13, scholar, b Bathgate, WLN
Margaret DONALDSON, daur, 9, scholar, b Bathgate, WLN
Archibald DONALDSON, son, 6, scholar, b Bathgate, WLN
--
Jack

julie d · Post by **julie d** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:01 pm

Thanks once again for the quick replies, Jack- thanks so much for that info, Mary was not on 1861 census, she had probably married by then and left home, another daughter appears on the 1861, Jessie aged 9yrs. It is Archibald (g.g. grandfather) that I followed on my tree, he moved to Sunderland in North East England, followed by his son James , then his son James my grandfather who married my nana Mary Robson, who is still in Sunderland, and will be 104yrs old in May. Thanks Julie.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:25 pm

Hi Julie,
Firstly my warmest regards to your nana Mary - she is doing well

; not many folk around at near 104yrs!
Makes me feel quite a youngster.

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All i've written here is just pure speculation...whether it's true is another matter!
I'm wondering if the reason that Mary DONALDSON is missing in 1861 is because she has died a young woman?
You'd need to of course first check the 1857 marriage to see if she IS your Margaret.
Near next door to the DONALDSONs [schedule 150] in 1851 is an Andrew HILL.
These other mentions below of an Andrew HILL might be the same person, but on the other hand they might not be!
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1851 cens 662 (585) Ed4 p38 (Bathgate)
South Bridge Street. [schedule 148]
[living with an Alexander & Janet Mochrie - doesn't give any relationship to them]
Andrew HILL, --, u/m 19, handloom weaver (cotton), b Bathgate, WLN
==
ANDREW HILL
MARY DONALDSON
Marriage: 03 JUL 1857 Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland

JAMES HILL - Birth: 26 OCT 1858 Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
==
ANDREW HILL [can't see a marriage to Catherine - maybe an illeg birth?]
CATHERINE WISHART
parents of -
GEORGINA WILKIE HILL - Birth: 25 FEB 1861 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
[see 1881 census below]
==
ANDREW HILL
ANN RENNIE
Marriage: 12 SEP 1871 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

ROBERT HILL - Birth: 31 OCT 1872 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
==
1881 Census Place: Edinburgh New North, Edinburgh, Scotland
Dwelling: 4 Old Assembly Close
Source: FHL Film 0224004 GRO Ref Volume 685-4 EnumDist 10 Page 7
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Andrew HILL M 52 M Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Fireman Fire Brigade [b Linlithgow as in County of, not the town of?]
Ann HILL M 34 F Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Wife
Alexander RENNIE U 14 M Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Stepson Occ: Compositor
Georgina HILL U 20 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Shirt Maker
Ann HILL U 3 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur
==
Jack

julie d · Post by **julie d** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:39 pm

Thanks Jack will pass on your regards to nana, I will see if I can check that info out. Julie.

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:08 pm

julie d wrote:snipped...........................then his son James my grandfather who married my nana Mary Robson, who is still in Sunderland, and will be 104yrs old in May. Thanks Julie.

Fantastic Julie!!

Kind regards,
Annette M

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