McVeiny?.....

[sheilajim]

WOW! Jack,

Thank you so much for the information.

I am now pretty sure that Jonathan Kennedy is my G(3) Gt Grandfather.
I didn't know that he was born in Ireland, but not surprised. Elizabeth would have been 23 in the 1851 census and already married in Ireland.

I was surprised to find out that Mary McKinnon (whose Death Register I have) outlived her husband. It didn't say that on her Certificate.

I can't thank you enough for all this information.

Thanks a million,

Sheila

P.S. It looks like I have a Jamieson in my background. Who Knows? We might be distantly related.

[Jack]

Hi Sheila,

And here's Elizabeth (as Betty) in 1841 - the family were indexed as HENDRY!
So looks like mother Agnes (Nancy) was born somewhere in Scotland....
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1841 cens 561 Ed 5 pp 12-13 (Eaglesham)
Montgomery Square.
Jonathan KENNEDY, 40, shoemaker, b IRE
Agnes KENNEDY, 40, --------- b SCT
Betty KENNEDY, 14, cotton factory, b RFW
William KENNEDY, 9, -------- b RFW
Agnes KENNEDY, 6, --------- b RFW
--
Jack

[sheilajim]

Hi Jack

I don't know how you do it. Listed as Hendry! No wonder I can't find out the births of those 3 children! I suppose they could be listed under anything. I imagine that when we can't find records it might be because they were listed wrong. This can happen even today.

This census pretty much proves that Elizabeth and Agnes were full sisters, I think. I'm still a little confused over the Maiden name though. The person who wrote in the Register for Agnes Kennedy's marriage was also the same person who wrote regarding her death.

I won't have access to these early censuses till Scotlands People puts them Online.

Thank you so much Jack for all this information, this will really help me in my searches.

Sheila

PS We are having a Hot Day today in San Clemente. The last time I looked at my thermometer it said 82Degrees Farenheit and it was not even 2:30 PM PDT.

[Jack]

Hi Sheila,

It all depends on when your mother was born as to whether it's still there.

If she was born before 1923 then 49 no longer exists - the number was changed in the Paisley Street re-numbering programme of 1923 to no.14.
Which today is one of a new block of 4 storey maisonettes between St James St & Glen St.

If born after 1923, then 49 is still there - a 4 storey grey sandstone tenement building. It's practically opposite Blythswood Drive.
A wee plaque on the outside wall between 47 & 49 says that 37 to 55 Caledonia St was refurbished in 1997.
This, i presume, would mean the interiors, as the exteriors don't in any way look altered - except for colourful flower baskets hanging outside, at the left hand side, of the closemouths!
Very pleasing, and rather unusual, to see outside a town tenement.

Jack

[nancy]

Hello Sheila,and Hi Jack. Been watching with interest your post on Caledonia St.My granny Cassidy lived in Andrews St, then Blythswood Dr which as you know Jack both run parallel from Caledonia St.I know Alamo bar is No9,and No 50 is at shops between Blytheswood and Andrews St. No 55 must be almost at Murray St,Greenock Rd.Does this mean Jack that old numbers were going in Opposite direction and on other side of road. I can remember wee buildings from corner of St James St,Bunty Lambs,a Chip shop from 1950s.I was a wee girl then but can remember great days playing in Fountain Gardens.I remember houses being modernised and it was definitely inside.Good luck with your search Sheila....Cheers Nancy

[sheilajim]

Hi Jack and Nancy,

Thank you very much for the information, and thank you again Jack for your trouble.

My mother was born before 1923 and I believe that the family only lived at that address for a short time. They moved to Glasgow later, but I don't know where or when. When I was a little girl, my mother said that when she lived in Scotland there were fireplaces in the bedrooms. Raised in Canada, I found that strange as I was only used to fireplaces being in the livingroom, that is, if you had a fireplace at all.

Regards

Sheila

[Jack]

Hi Nancy & Sheila,

Sheila, such a pity that your mother's house is no longer there - all that is left from way back between St James St & Glen St is the building Nancy mentioned at St James St corner - Bunty Lambs pub, also the Fountain Gardens.
But looks like the pub's been closed for many a year - in a very dilapidated state.
Living in Scotland's damp winters, a fireplace in the bedroom was a very welcome feature!

Nancy, how come you know all those pub names! and no doubt you remember The Caledonia bar too
No.55 is the last close on Caledonia St at the corner with with Murray St.
Yep, your right, pre 1923 the nos started at the left hand side of many streets went to the end, crossed over to the other side and returned back to the beginning again on the right hand side.
The Paisley Reference Library has a booklet to view which gives all the number changes.
I well remember playing in the fountain in the Gardens - it's still there with it's 4 large metal walruses - but alas no water nowadays.
--
Jack

[CatrionaL]

Thanks Wilma

Here goes.

My G(2)Great Grandmother Elizabeth Boyd was born Elizabeth Kennedy at Eaglesham about 1829. Her father was Jonathan Kennedy, shoemaker, living in Eaglesham. She married John Boyd in Tamlaght O'Crilly, Ireland in 1849. They apparently came back to Scotland for the birth of oldest daughted Agnes, returned to Ireland and returned again to Scotland by the time of the 1881 census. She died in Paisley in 1906.
Actually her Mother's name looks like MCVEANY!

Thanks
Sheila

Hullo there Sheila!

Have you tried the name MCVEAN?

Catriona

[sheilajim]

Hi Catriona

I just tried McVean at your suggestion. Couldn't find a marriage between McVean and Kennedy. They might have been married in Ireland.

I have no idea why these ancestors of mine went back and forth between Northern Ireland and Scotland.

Thanks for the suggestion anyway.

Sheila

[DavidWW]

Hi Sheila

I've been watching this thread with interest.

My comments as follows ............

The 1906 surname is defintutely McVEINY.

The 1860 Mearns registration of the marriage of Agnes KENNEDY and Henry McLAREN, - they were married on 30Dec1859 but this wasn't registered until after the New Year, - clearly shows her mother's name as Agnes KENNEDY MS BENIE.

There isn't much doubt in my mind that Nancy McVEINY and Agnes BEINIE/BENIE are one and the same person. It's not unusual to find an Agnes being called Nancy, and the Irish accents involved could easily have led to McVEINY being heard as BEANY/BENIE, or, possibly, and vice versa.

It would have been ideal if Jonathan KENNEDY's second wife Jean CAMPBELL had shown the name of his previous wife on his Eaglesham death register entry in 1868, but she didn't supply that info ........

Davie