McIlhenneyy/Heaney - How to proceed

[anice]

Hi Jack,


Thank you for the Poor Law Application - don't know whether to be glad or sad she's not mine - might have been a fun rellie to research.

Had also found a John McIlheny on the Poor Law Database Sheets I received from the Mitchell Library, place of birth and age fitted but I can see this could also be just coincidence.

I am so happy with the info. you sent me re. Mary, I always wonder about her early years.

Thank you

Anita

[Jack]

Hi Anita,
There was an 1887 application (15/6/4. p 1333) for a John McILHENY (45) born Donegal ~1842.
Wrong parents though - John McILHENY & Mary BIRD.

Another 1887 application (15/2/5. p 1732) for a John McILHENNY (40) born Glasgow ~1847.
Again wrong parents - Charles McILHENNY & Elizabeth HILL.

A 1910 application (16/13/194. p 29021) for a Jane McGREGOR m/s McILHENNY (57) born Glasgow ~1853.
And again wrong parents - John McILHENNY & Helen McMENEMY.
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These were about the only "McILHENNY"s that had forenames, ages etc. that may have been "yours".
Unless they are under a completely different name......
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If the 1851 census is correct with ages stated (no reason to doubt it isn't), then it means your
G-Granny Mary (1 mo) was born very late February, or possibly the very beginning of March 1851.
[census night - Sun/Mon 30/31 March - there's a very useful TS Census link at top of page]
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Jack

[anice]

Hi Jack,

Thank you for the various application info. I now know a good deal more re. Mary and more re. Robert and John thanks to you.

Will have a look at Scotlands People see if there is a marriage or death for John, Alexander and Patrick being mindful of the awful spellings.

Anita

[Jack]

Hi Anita,
Looks like it's back to the drawing board with your Gr-Gr mother Mary's brother John in 1861.
These censuses show that the 18yr old John McALHANNEY in 1861 is most probably from a different family.
If i've got it right, John [18] is the son of Andrew "McILHENNY" & Mary MOOR(e).
It looks like this **John had an older brother *Joseph.
*Joseph's details, together with those of George WILSON, help explain why i think he is unlikely to be yours.
Don't know what happened to this **John after 1861 though.
Surnames are as near as i get them after comparing various indexes etc.
Sorry about the length of all this - but it's no use me just saying "that isn't your John in 1861"; with no explanation!
My thoughts could be completely wrong (not unkown...),
and it's just pure coincidence that George Wilson was with a John and a Joseph of the same name.
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1841 census 644-1 Ed 28? pp 25-26 (St Enoch)
Goosedubbs Street.
Andrew McILHINNEY, 30, labourer, b Ireland
Mary M. McILHINNEY, 25, -------------b Ireland [m/s Moore]
*Joseph McILHINNEY, 1, --------------b LKS
[plus Moor & McQuillan families]

1851 census 644-1 (544) Ed 10 pp 23-24 (St. Mary)
62 Saltmarket.
Andrew McILHENNY, head, 40, coal porter, b Ireland
Marianne McILHENNY, wife, 46, ------------b Ireland [possibly 2nd wife?]
*Joseph McILHENNY, son, 11, tobacco spinner boy, b Glasgow, LKS
**John McILHENNY, son, 8, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Andrew McILHENNY, son, 1, --------b Glasgow, LKS

1861 census 644-4 Ed 53 p 5 (Calton)
32 New Street. [also at this address in 1851]
Barbara MacKLEHENNY, head, 75, -----------------b Ireland
Andrew MacKLEHENNY, son, 50, coal porter, b Ireland
Charles MacKLEHENNY, son, 40, bricklayers labourer, b Ireland
*Joseph MacKLEHENNY, gr-son, 20, cloth (cotton) singer, b Glasgow, LKS
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*JOSEPH MCILHANNEY & JANE KERR
1863 - Marriage: 20 NOV 1863 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
~daur~
MARY LOGAN MCILHANNEY - Birth: 03 APR 1864 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
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1871 census 644-2 Ed 32 p 18 (College - High Church)
115 New Vennel.
*Joseph McILHINNA, head, 28, patent domestic gas singer, b Glasgow, LKS
Jane McILHINNA, wife, 37, bobbin winder, b Paisley, RFW [m/s Kerr]
Mary McILHINNA, daur, 6, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
[plus a Colquhoun family]

1881 census - with George Wilson - pls see below
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GEORGE WILSON & MARGARET HUTCHISON
1860 - Marriage: 20 APR 1860 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
~some children~
THOMAS WILSON - Birth: 21 AUG 1861 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
MARY WILSON - Birth: 12 JUN 1864 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
MARGARET WILSON - Birth: 02 AUG 1866 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
THOMAS FREDERICK WILSON - Birth: 02 JAN 1870 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark
GEORGE FREDERICK WILSON - Birth: 08 SEP 1873 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark

1861 census 644-4 Ed 67 p 2 (Calton) [you already know of this census]
1 Well Street.
**John McALHANNEY, head, 18, labourer, b Glasgow, LKS
George WILSON, lodger, 19, baker, b Monkland.
Margaret WILSON, lodger, 18, -------b Glasgow, LKS [m/s Hutchison]

1871 census 644-3 Ed 29 p 3 (Calton - Bridgeton)
55 McKechnie St.
George WILSON, head, 28, carpet setter, b Wooland? LKS [occupation change from baker]
Margaret WILSON, wife, 28, --------------------b Glasgow, LKS [m/s Hutchison]
Margaret WILSON, daur, 4, --------------------b Glasgow, LKS
Thomas F. WILSON, son, 1, -----------------b Glasgow, LKS

1881 census 644-4 Ed 50 p 11 (Calton)
34 Clyde St
George WILSON, M 38 M Woodend, Lanark, Rel: Head Occ: Carpet Weaver
Margaret WILSON, M 38 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife [m/s Hutchison]
Margaret WILSON, U 14 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Wool Weaver
Thomas WILSON, 11 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
James WILSON, 7 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
George WILSON, 5 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
*Joseph MC ILHINNA, M 39 M Glasgow, Lanark, Rel: Visitor Occ: Cloth Singer
Jane MC ILHINNA, M 40 F Paisley, Renfrew, Rel: Visitor Occ: Pirn Winder [m/s Kerr]
Mary MC ILHINNA, U 17 F Glasgow, Lanark, Rel: Visitor Occ: Wool Winder
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On paper it would seem that the McILHINNAs & WILSONs were just good friends, and possibly not related.
But it's still a bit of a mystery as to where any of your gr-gran Mary's four brothers are in 1861....
John & Robert survived to adulthood; so they should be somewhere.
Maybe the census page they are on is illegible?
As for Patrick & Alexander? We may never know....
Jack

[anice]

Hi Jack,

I did go to Scotlands People and looked at the marriage cert. for Jeanie Wilson to Hugh Cameron 1895 place of residence given as 8, Melville Street District of Kinning Park. Robert is not shown as deceased but mother Catherine (nee Sheridan) is having died December 1881 at 29, Melville Street (have death cert.) Looked at various other item to no avail.

I did try for a re-marriage for Robert found none, also a death entry again none in the time period available, need to come to Scotland.

Yes looks like the 1861 John is not mine and the use of the name WILSON for Jeanie coincidence.

I do know the children had an aunt in Greenock named Mary Bryce
(Brice) who signed their father's death cert. (1860) she was married in Liverpool 1851 and shows on an application for Relief in Glasgow # 51785 - 19th Feb. 1857 and on the 1861 Census for West Greenock at 7, ??? (cannot read)

I doubt I will find anything re. Patrick, Alexander or John but will keep checking for Robert as dates are added yearly on Scotlands people. With possibly more family members in Liverpool/Greenock they could have drifted there or emigrated.

I am very happy with the info. I now have (thank's to you) on Mary and she is my direct ancestor.

Anita

[anice]

Hi Jack,


OOPS! - I did make a copy of all Robert Heaney's who died 1881 - 1956 was not able to pick my Robert out ( did find his son). I will not as I said in previous post check years as they appear in Scotlands People after 1956 - no way Robert lived that long -

Will try 1901 census as that I did not do.

Anita

[Jack]

Hi Anita,
Before i forget....
The address for aunt Mary BRICE in Greenock 1861 is probably 7 Sir Michael Street.
I have to say your "Heaney"s are a most elusive family in the censuses!
Jack