Granny shoved aff bus?.....

[Tracey]

Hi Tusker

No help at all but it seems your Kelly's are about as easy to find as Casey's in Glasgow. My gt grandfather was Scottish but born to Irish parents why would i look any where other than SP for him and his parents I then looked on English census and found who i thought could be them, but then again there were a few Scottish census that could have been them too but never the less the English ones were saying something to me - what, i dont know as i knew absolutely nothing and had no hints as my gt grandfather died very young, but i stuck with them and Annette's findings recently have confirmed the now dusty English census and i can send off my my gt grandfathers birth certificate - in England . On the census it says that at least two of my gt gt ,s sons were born in Glasgow - why they should lie about these two when the other births are correct (in England not sure about the Irish one) i dont know but they are no where to be found (by me anyway) with no restrictive dates or even areas i still cant find them. All i want is to find a Scottish birth with parents marriage date on it and i will be happy ! for now
IF Elizabeth was born to Irish parents all i can say is that my Irish family were serial nomads between 1861-81 then recently found again back in Glasgow 1891 but its still not helping and to make matters worse it now says my gt gt grandmothers birth place was England not Ireland - but somethings making me believe this one too
I will halt my rambling now !

There is no alterior motive behind this post as i dont have a sweet tooth but if you were talking Skippy , Jiff or Crunch and Munch (if its still produced !).....................that would be a different matter

[Tusker]

Tracey -- Keep this under your hat <whisper> but I may have an inside source for Skippy........ I'm not making any promises, mind you but in my capacity as Manager/Coach of the International Hudgie-Stealin' Championship team, I do travel in elite circles and meet certain people......

....As a matter of fact, I was just speaking to another "Liz" and she was saying that maybe Lesley shouldn't be too surprised if she finds her name on the New Years Honours list......

[paddyscar]

Tusker

My Grandfather was John Kelly living at 189 Main St., Gorbals, Glasgow with his wife Christina and son John (1901 census)

They were married in 1896 in St. Francis Chapel, Hutchesontown, Glasgow giving their address as 181 South Wellington St.

John (22 JAN 1871 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland) was a soft goods dealer, as was his father who was married to Catherine O'Reilly (married Sept. 10, 1866, Edinburgh)

Looking forward to comparing notes,

Frances

[Tusker]

Whoopee! Yahoo! <Turning cartwheels etc.>

She's worse than the one-armed man in "The Fugitive", but for those who are at all interested in my efforts at capturing the Most Elusive Granny In Scotland, I'm pleased to say that just a few minutes ago on SP, I uncovered another piece of the puzzle in the form of the name and birthdate of one of her children....

Sarah Adams
born 23 July, 1905
at 226 South Wellington St, Hutchesontown

This is a slightly different address in 1905, than the 181 South Wellington St reported as Granny's Usual Residence on her 28 June 1901 marriage license. And it's definitely my granny Kelly, as her husband James Adams is listed on the birth certificate as a Filecutter (not Tilecutter), just as as he was on the marriage license, and in the 1901 census. A File-cutter isn't exactly a common occupation, I don't think.

This doesn't establish her whereabouts prior to her 1901 marriage of course, which is my main objective. But I think it helps support my contention that she lived in St Francis' church parish Hutchesontown, both before and after her marriage

Keep lukin' ower yer shou'der Granny --- Ah'm coming.......

[Tusker]

Paddyscar -- I've PM'd you. I don't think our Kelly's link up at this time, but the family that Lesley found on Cumberland St certainly looks hopeful for you. I hope they find a home......

[grannysrock]

Hello everyone

Sorry to but in at this late stage but ..... all this talk of caramel wafers has got the old appetite going.

I am uploading the 1901 Census for a Kelly family at 181 wellington street * :

(Image deleted. The occasional posting of GROS images is OK for assistance with interpretation, but not for general use such as here, as the image is Crown Copyright, - but the information is not, - and a transcript follows TSAG)

John KELLY Head M 55 Hawker b. Ireland
Catherine do Wife M 54 do
Elizabeth do Daur S 28 Tobacoo Worker Lanarkshire, Glasgow
Catherine do Daur S 25 Fur Worker do do
Helen HAMILTON Grand daur 6 do do

There are no other KELLYs on this page 14, ED48 of 666-11


This Elizabeth Kelly's age has got a bit messed up , I don't know in the end what it is supposed to say. Its not 18 anyway.

The family 'above' the Kelly's are the Gibbons
which brings you to the marriage reg

1 1899 GIBBONS PATRICK KELLY ELLEN HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/11 0060

This reveals Ellen KELLY to have be a widow , ( previous name HAMILTON ).

And Ellen GIBBONS is the informant ( daughter) for the death of Catherine KELLY née REILLY in 1920 at 226 Mathieson Street, widow of John KELLY , Commericial traveller.

1920 REILLY CATHERINE KELLY F 70 HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/15 0087

So the above family at 181 Wellington Street seem to be Paddycars family - the question is are they also Tusker's ? Could Elizabeth have been mistaken to her mother's maiden name ? Or could the clerk who entered the details in the register have made a mistake . Or have I got a large clutch of straws.


* One word of warning on the 1901 census - there are several pages of persons at this address, and I haven't enough credits to go through the lot to see if there is another Kelly family.


I'm really hungry now ....


Sally

[nelmit]

Andrew,

I tried the link and the image does not appear to be in the gallery.

Regards,
Annette M

[LesleyB]

Well, well, that was an interesting twist. So it looks like the hawkers family was probably them all along. Sally, I don't think that is a large clutch of straws - surely the 181 South Wellington St mentioned for John in 1896 is too much of a coincidence ...and its beginning to look like that Boyle name was chucked in on the marriage entry just to throw us off the trail!!

Tusker - do you have a death cert for your granny? If so, what does it give for her mother's surname & father's occupation?

Best wishes
Lesley

[nelmit]

Hi all,

Here is the Kelly/O'Reilly family in 1881.

As you can see their daughter Elizabeth is a bit older than Tusker's Elizabeth states in her marriage entry. Is she fibbing about her age or are they different families? The only other possibility is that this Elizabeth died.

Dwelling: 376 Cumberland St
Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203671 GRO Ref Volume 644-11 EnumDist 58 Page 22
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John KELLY M 36 M Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Hawker
Catherine KELLY M 33 F Ireland
Rel: Wife
Mary KELLY 12 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
John KELLY 10 M Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Catherine KELLY 6 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth KELLY 2 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur

Regards,
Annette M

[grannysrock]

I shouldn't have put a link to the image - here is my best attempt at a transcription.


Patrick Gibbons Head Mar 36 Hammerman Lanarkshire Glasgow
Helen D° Wife Mar 31 looks like Midlothian scored out ?
Catherine D° Dau 8mo Lanarkshire Glasgow
Edward D* Son 2
John Hamilton Stepson 8 Scholar D°
George D° D° 11 D° D°
William D° D° 13 D° D°

Next House

John Kelly Head Mar 55 Hawker Ireland
Catherine D° Wife Mar 54 D°
Elizabeth D° Dau S 23 * TobaccoWorker Lanarkshire Glasgow
Catherine D° Dau S 25 FurWorker D°
Helen Hamilton Granddau 6 Scholar D°


* that's what I think it says.

Sally