McVeiny?.....

[sheilajim]

Hi Everyone

I couldn't make out the maiden name listed on my G(2)Grandmother Elizabeth Boyd's Death Register in 1906. I asked Scotlands People for help and they said that it looked like MCVEINY. On a second look it did look like Nancy McVeiny. First name was Nancywhich might have been a nickname for Agnes.

My problem is I have never heard of such a name.

When I tried the free search on McVeiny on Scotlands People between 1750 and about 1900 it came up blank. No such a name there.

Has anybody ever heard of such a name? Does such a name exist?

Thanks

Sheila

[WilmaM]

Hi Sheila ,

I haven't come across a "MCVEINY" but "MCVINNEY" is a common surname.

Perhaps if you give some more details on your Grandma Boyd, somebody could work out what her mother's correct name would have been.

[sheilajim]

Thanks Wilma

Here goes.

My G(2)Great Grandmother Elizabeth Boyd was born Elizabeth Kennedy at Eaglesham about 1829. Her father was Jonathan Kennedy, shoemaker, living in Eaglesham. She married John Boyd in Tamlaght O'Crilly, Ireland in 1849. They apparently came back to Scotland for the birth of oldest daughted Agnes, returned to Ireland and returned again to Scotland by the time of the 1881 census. She died in Paisley in 1906.
Actually her Mother's name looks like MCVEANY!

Thanks
Sheila

[Jack]

Hi Sheila,

Elizabeth had a younger sister Agnes - i dare say you know that, and if this is her, then the 1859 MC might show their mother's name more clearly.
But it may all be coincidence, and this is a different Agnes who just happened to have a son Jonathan.
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HENRY MCLAREN
AGNES KENNEDY
Marriage: 30 DEC 1859 Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland

DUNCAN MCLAREN - Birth: 17 MAR 1860 Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland
WILLIAM MCLAREN - Birth: 30 JUL 1861 Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland
AGNES MCLAREN - Birth: 17 JUN 1863 Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland
HENRY MONCRIEF MCLAREN - Birth: 13 AUG 1865 Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland
JONATHAN MCLAREN - Birth: 16 JUL 1867 Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland
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Jack
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ps, was that father Jonathan Kennedy re-marrying a Jean Campbell in Eaglesham 1853?

[sheilajim]

'Hi Jack

That is what makes it all the more confusing. Elizabeth had a daughter called Agnes Boyd who married Henry McLaren. At first I thought that Agnes Kennedy and Agnes Boyd were the same person. Then when I found my Grt Grandfather Henry Mclaren's Death register ,I saw that it listed both wives. I looked up Agnes Kennedy's Death register and found that her mother's name was Agnes Beany.

If the Jonathan Kennedy who was married to Jane Campbell is my G(3) greatgrandfather, he might have been married 3 times. I can't find any earlier marriages for him in Scotland, but I suppose he could have been married in Ireland.
I can't find any record of a marriage between Agnes Boyd & Henry Mclaren either, though on the registers of their childrens births it says they were married in Busby in 1868.

All verrry strange!

But Jack, the list that you gave out must be of Henry Mclaren's first family. I only knew about Agnes. You have introduced me to new Aunts & Uncles I wasn't aware of.

Thank you very much,
Sheila

[Jack]

Hi Sheila,

G-GF Henry McLAREN "married" Agnes BOYD (who was his niece by marriage) - but was previously married to her aunt Agnes KENNEDY?
Someone else has an interest in your family as there is an LDS submission for a marriage - though not in Busby.
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Henry McLAREN - Birth: 1843 Of, Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland
Agnes BOYD
Marriage: About 1868 Of, Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland
[LDS submission]

JOHN MCLAREN - Birth: 10 AUG 1869 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland
NEIL MCLAREN - Birth: 28 MAY 1871 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland
HENRY MONCRIEF MCLAREN - Birth: 20 NOV 1872 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland
ELIZABETH KENNEDY MCLAREN - Birth: 23 NOV 1874 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland
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When did 1st wife Agnes KENNEDY die? 1867-1869? Mother as BEANY isn't too far away from VEANY...

The 1861 Mearns, and the 1871 Kilbarchan censuses may shed some light on things.
What are the birthplaces of Agnes KENNEDY & Agnes BOYD? And Henry's?

Jack
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ps, but you'll need to look at Henry & Agnes Kennedy's 1859 MC to check that Agnes is the daur of Jonathan.

[sheilajim]

Hi Jack

Agnes Kennedy died Dec. 1867. It says on her Death Register that her father is Jonathan Kennedy, Shoemaker. Her age at death is listed as 32 yrs old.

Agnes Boyd's birthplace is listed as Linlithgow. I can't find a listing of her birth, but she shows up being baptized in Tamlaght O'Crilly, Ireland.
Henry McLaren was born 1838 in the Parish of East Kilbride

I can't find Henry McLaren on the censuses, at least with any family that I was aware of. I find Agnes Boyd McLaren and her children staying with her parents in both the 1881 census, and staying with her mother in the 1991 census. Though they had another son in between those censuses. I can't find a record of Agnes Kennedy's birth anymore than I can find a record of Elizabeth's birth.

I wonder what was going on with them. Agnes Boyd Mclaren died just after the 1891 census and Henry died a few years later.

Do you know how I could get in touch with the person who submitted to LDS?

You may be right about Beany & McVeany, both writings of these names are obscure. I am waiting till Scotlands People get images for the Agnes Kennedy/Henry McLaren marriage. Don't feel like paying 10Lb

Thanks

Sheila

[Jack]

Hi Sheila,

You probably have Duncan, the older brother of Henry. Don't know what happened to them in 1881 either!
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DUNCAN MCLAREN
MARIA BELL ISABELLA WEIR
Marriage: 06 MAY 1853 Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland

HENRY MONCRIEF MCLAREN - Birth: 11 JAN 1854 Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland
MARIA BELL MCLAREN - Birth: 03 FEB 1856 Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland
DUNCAN MCLAREN - Birth: 13 FEB 1858 Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland
MARGARET MCLAREN - Birth: 30 MAR 1860 East Kilbride, Lanark, Scotland
MARY MCKINNON MCLAREN - Birth: 16 MAR 1862 East Kilbride, Lanark, Scotland
THOMAS MCLAREN - Birth: 31 JUL 1864 Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland
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Sorry, i know nothing of contacting LDS members, but i thought a Source Call Number was perhaps needed? But Henry & Agnes' 1868 submitted "marriage" in the IGI doesn't have one.
The submitter didn't seem to know too much about the family, and appeared to be making a guess on Henry & Agnes' details on the strength of the Kilbarchan BCs, which were possibly not looked at?, because on them it says parents married at Busby.

Maybe post a separate query on this subject as i'm sure there are many who would like to know the answer!
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Jack

[sheilajim]

Hi Jack

What a crazy mixed up family I have!

Those children that you posted above, are older brother Duncans and Henry Moncrief McLarens, with his first wife Agnes Kennedy.

With his second "wife" Agnes Boyd, he had another son that was also named Henry Moncrief McLaren. There is also another Mary McKinnon McLaren, the one that I am decended from. The children in the 1881 census are a number of years younger than Duncans and Henry/ AgnesKennedys were.

It just goes to show that you have to be careful of names when your searching.

I will take you up on your suggestion about making another post.

One other thing Jack. I notice that you are in Paisley. My mother was born there at 49 Caledonia St. The address still exists. Do you know what is there now?

Thanks

Sheila

[Jack]

Hi Sheila, some censuses.

So is it thrice married for Jonathan....?
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1851 cens 561 (455) Ed 5 p 30 (Eaglesham)
Montgomerie Street.
Jonathan KENNEDY, head, widower, 49, shoemaker, b Ireland
William KENNEDY, son, u/m 18, weaver, b Eaglesham, RFW
Agnes KENNEDY, daur, u/m 16, cotton factory, b Eaglesham, RFW
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1851 cens 561 (455) Ed 5 p 21 (Eaglesham)
Montgomerie Square.
Jean CAMPBELL, head, u/m 32, weaver, b Glasgow, LKS [living by herself]

OPR 561 Vol 2 p 152 Marriages - Eaglesham.
"Jonathan KENNEDY and Jane CAMPBELL both residing in this Parish
were proclaimed 7th August & married 12th August 1853"

1861 cens 561 Ed 4 p 15 (Eaglesham)
8 Backrow.
Jonathan KENNEDY, head, marr, 59, shoemaker, b Ireland
Jean KENNEDY, wife, 40, handloom cotton weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Helen KENNEDY, daur, 6, scholar, b Eaglesham, RFW
James KENNEDY, son, 4, -------- b Eaglesham, RFW
[a wee note on this address - from enumerator James B. Yuille's route description.
Seems he had a "thing" about the use of the name Montgomerie Square!
"... Backrow (known also as Montgomerie Square which name is not properly
applied as neither the ground nor the houses form a square)..."]
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1851 cens 643 (662) Ed 3 p 8 (East Kilbride)
Phillipshill.
Mary McKINNIN [sic], head, widow, 36, housekeeper, b Isle of Mull
Duncan McLEARN [sic], son, u/m 18, starch mixer, b East Kilbride
Hendry McLAREN [sic], son, 13, gum maker, b East Kilbride
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1861 cens 643 Ed 7 p 14 (East Kilbride)
Durham Terrace.
Duncan McLARAN [sic], head, marr, 26, madder dyer, b Strathaven, LKS
Maria McLARAN, wife, 25, --------- b Milngavie, DMB
Hendry McLARAN, son, 7, scholar, b Mearns, RFW
Maria McLARAN, daur, 5, -------- b Cathcart, RFW
Duncan McLARAN, son, 3, ------ b Mearns, RFW
Margt. McLARAN, daur, 1, ------- b Kilbride, LKS
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Jack
ps, next time i'm in the area i'll have a look at 49 Caledonia St. - my GG-aunt Janet Jamieson lived at no.55 when she married William Shearer in 1892.
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