Coyle, Connolly, Kelly, McQuade, What is her name?.....

[CathieL]

Hello everyone
Can you help me figure this out? On my grandfather's first marriage cert. he lists his mother as Helen Connelly, maiden name Kelly, on his second marriage cert. she is Ellen Connelly, maiden name McQuade. On a 1907 poor law record he is listed as separated from his wife and living at St.James Street Kinning Park c/o Kelly. His parents are "James Connelly, dealer, dead and Helen McQuade at the above address, widow of Thomas Kelly, dead". Farther down the record he is listed as
Patrick Connelly
68 St. James Steet, KP, backland, Kelly
43yrs,b Caledon, Co. Tyrone, Ireland, RC: labourer:son of
James Connolly, traveller, dead, and
Helen Coyle (married again to Thos Kelly, dead: at the above
address.
I have tried to find her in the IGI and the census and the deaths. I have used all the names and various spellings and I am coming up blank.
Any help at all would be really appreciated
Cathie

[WilmaM]

Looks as if he's got into a fair wee muddle with his mothers names !

What were his own 2 wives maiden names? are they any of the mix?

Have you found Patrick himself on the 1901 census hopefully Helen/Ellen is there too,

[CathieL]

Hello everyone,
Since I posted the above I have found some more information and I am
even more confused. In the IGI I found a daughter born in 1871 to Thomas Kelly and Helen McQuade. She died in 1906 at 68 St. James Street Kinning Park. Her father was alive at the time but I know Helen was a widow in 1907 so it was easy to find Thomas Kelly's dearth cert. He died at the same address but now it gets strange!
He is married to Helen Coyle. His father was Thomas Kelly (deceased) and Helen Kelly maiden name McQuade (deceased). The informant is W. Kelly son.
Does this make anyone as dizzy as it makes me!
Cathie

[CathieL]

Hello Wilma,
I have Patrick in the 1901 census with his second wife (my grandmother).
I have a lot of information on him now but it is the Poor Law record that has my head spinning. My mother always told me my father's family came from the Waterford area of Ireland but this record says Patrick was born in Co. Tyrone and I can't begin to look for Patrick's parents until I can puzzle out what his mother's name is. Patrick was very fond of a drink and he must have fortified himself before he applied for poor relief, I know more about his wife and children than he did on that application!
Cathie

[nelmit]

Hello everyone
Can you help me figure this out? On my grandfather's first marriage cert. he lists his mother as Helen Connelly, maiden name Kelly, on his second marriage cert. she is Ellen Connelly, maiden name McQuade. On a 1907 poor law record he is listed as separated from his wife and living at St.James Street Kinning Park c/o Kelly. His parents are "James Connelly, dealer, dead and Helen McQuade at the above address, widow of Thomas Kelly, dead". Farther down the record he is listed as
Patrick Connelly
68 St. James Steet, KP, backland, Kelly
43yrs,b Caledon, Co. Tyrone, Ireland, RC: labourer:son of
James Connolly, traveller, dead, and
Helen Coyle (married again to Thos Kelly, dead: at the above
address.
I have tried to find her in the IGI and the census and the deaths. I have used all the names and various spellings and I am coming up blank.
Any help at all would be really appreciated
Cathie

Hello Cathie,

Have you tried looking at the death entry of Helen Kelly McQuade who died in 1919? Don't know if it's her but it might be worth a look.

Annette M

[CathieL]

Thank you Annette,
That is the right one, I did look under that name but I did not go as far as 1919. The informant was the same W. Kelly, son. She was 74 and the cause of death was old age!!. There is something written under old age but I can't make that out. She is listed as widow of Thomas Kelly, fruit dealer, and her parents were Thomas McQuade and Helen McQuade ms Coyle. I just noticed ther is a note at the left side which says "See Reg. of Cor.Entries. Volume 2 P.187 15th June 1919. Can you tell me how to do that?
Cathie

[nelmit]

Thank you Annette,
That is the right one, I did look under that name but I did not go as far as 1919. The informant was the same W. Kelly, son. She was 74 and the cause of death was old age!!. There is something written under old age but I can't make that out. She is listed as widow of Thomas Kelly, fruit dealer, and her parents were Thomas McQuade and Helen McQuade ms Coyle. I just noticed ther is a note at the left side which says "See Reg. of Cor.Entries. Volume 2 P.187 15th June 1919. Can you tell me how to do that?
Cathie

Hello Cathie,

I've seen others on the board saying if you order the death extract then the RCE information is usually on the reverse.
Perhaps she was on her own when she died and the Register of Corrected Entries would probably not tell you any more than the death entry.

The thing that bothers me is there is no mention of her marriage to James Connelly. (unless I'm getting it all wrong )

It really is all very confusing and at first I wondered if you had two different families.

Have you any information on the W. Kelly who registered his parents' death? (ie - Is he mentioned on Patrick's poorhouse application)

Hopefully I'm getting the story right here and not confusing the issue. Just say if I am!!!

Annette M

[CathieL]

Hello Annette
I have not found anything yet on W.Kelly, just that he was the informant on both death certs. as the son. On Patrick's poor house application it says he is the son of James Connolly traveller dead and Helen Coyle married again to Thomas Kelly. The problem seems to be that on Thomas Kelly's death his mother is listed as Helen Kelly ms McQuade and his widow is Helen Coyle.
On Helen's death her mother is listed as Helen McQuade ms Coyle.
I think the son W.Kelly was as loose with his facts as Patrick himself was!
In the IGI I cannot find any trace of James Connolly or Helen with any of her names!
Cathie

[CathieL]

I have decided her maiden name must have been McQuade as it is the only thing that makes sense. I have her death cert. but I cannot find her marriage to Thomas Kelly on SP or IGI. I tried a parent search on IGI and I only came up with one child, Ellen. I cannot find Ellen's birth cert. on SP but I did find her marriage and her death certs. Her marriage to a John Nugent was witnessed by William Kelly and Bridget Kelly. They were either her brother and sister or her brother and his wife. I can't find anything on either one of them. I could not find anything on anyone of them in any census but I have ordered the 1881 census CD so hopefully when that comes I will be able to go through it more carefully.
Annette, thank you for all your help.
Cathie

[nelmit]

Hello Cathy,

I may be about to make things worse here but I'm going to post a very sketchy poorhouse application I found today.

Helen Kelly McQuade (Fox)
40 Rose Street
Application Date 14.9.14 age 72
Born Co. Tyrone, Ireland
Father Thomas McQuade mother Helen both dead.
R.C. Widow O.A.P.

Husband Thomas Kelly, Labourer dead, born Ireland, son of Thomas Kelly(Fox) and ....................... both dead.

Family Pat - 44 B. Ireland Bridget b. Ireland
Wm. b. Ireland
Jane 36 b. Ireland

Daughter Jane applies for her removal to poorhouse.
The application was withdrawn by Jane the following day. Which is why it is sketchy. If it had gone ahead there would be more detail.

Have you looked at the death entry in 1920 of Helen Kelly McQuade? I think it may be this lady.

I realise this is not Patrick Connolly's mother but again I am wondering if there are 2 Helen's.

If I could I would send you some paracetamol with this.

Regards,
Annette M

PS
Like Jack I did not notice any difference to The Mitchell. I think work is ongoing 'behind the scenes.