Can't find children 1901.....

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:00 am

Hi All,
seeking these children 1901:
James Savage, b. 1893 Glasgow.
John Savage, b. 1894 Kinlochrannoch, Perth.
Rosetta Savage or Butler, b. 1899, Ayr.

The mother Roseann Savage (Park) was in Ayr Prison 1901.
The father James Savage was at Model Lodging House, York St., Newton, Ayr.
Ayr archives have no record of the children. Any suggestions?

Post by **HeatherH** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:14 am

Hi Cathy,
The 1901 census is available on Scotlands People at:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Hope this helps,
HeatherK

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:16 am

I have looked, and can't find them.

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:02 pm

I'd suspect that they're with a relative who has a different surname, and appear in the census under that surname.

David

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:08 am

Thanks David.
I had thought of that. But so many common names to choose from.

HeatherV · Post by **HeatherV** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:15 pm

This may be a dumb question, but here goes :

If a child (of a different surname) is living with someone other than the parents - would the search not find the child if it was search was not entered specifying the child's name and aprx. age ?

Heather

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:20 pm

HeatherV wrote:This may be a dumb question, but here goes :

If a child (of a different surname) is living with someone other than the parents - would the search not find the child if it was search was not entered specifying the child's name and aprx. age ?

Heather

Hi Heather,

Nor sure what you mean but a SURNAME is compulsory for a search on SP.

Regards,
Annette M

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:24 pm

Their surname doesn't always show up as different, but just another " on the list.

I have a family where unknown to me, the mother remarried and I could not find the boys anywhere. They were indexed under thier stepfather's surname but their own surname [ that they used all their lifes] was shown as being their middle name.

I found them by accident when trawling through Tom Paterson's site - I was looking to see where another set of relations lived in relation to present housing and fell over the elusive George !

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:32 pm

HeatherV wrote:This may be a dumb question, but here goes :

If a child (of a different surname) is living with someone other than the parents - would the search not find the child if it was search was not entered specifying the child's name and aprx. age ?

Heather

Ah! - but it all depends on what was reported in the census household schedule as the surname of the child..........

If a different surname was reported, then, as long as the enumerator picked this up and didn't enter an erroneous "-do-", - and such an error can be demonstrated to have happened on many occasions, - then, yes, whatever the person who had completed the household schedule had reported as the surname should be there in the ED.

But, if, for whatever reason, the Head of Household had entered a different surname, perhaps in line with their own surname, then the situation can become problematic.

If the surnames are known for all possible relatives in households where the kids could have been "planked", i.e, placed, then these can be checked out, - altho' not always economically so on SP

- even given that the age(s) are known. In that case it can be worthwhile engaging the services of a professional researcher with access to New Register House in Edinburgh to check out the situation in terms of all possible surnames .........

But then, if we are talking about very tight/close communities such as miners, weavers, and many other such, there is no guarantee that the kids were in the household of a relative, as such communities very much tended to "look after their own"......

Frustrating, I can understand, if the latter is the case, but, prior to legislation in the 1930s in relation to adoption, there was no legal requirement to register such informal adoption and possible consequent change of surname.

David