Hi All
After having an enjoyable chat with Lesley and Marilyn at the Ne’erday Party, I was persuaded to tell you all about a that has been a thorn in my side for months now.
Within a few weeks of starting my family research (15 months ago) I managed to get back to the birth of Thomas Malcolm in 1812. Since then, I have been trying to locate his parents, without much success.
Thomas died in Leslie, Fife in 1878 at 66 years of age. According to his death cert his father was Alexander Malcolm (Shoemaker), but there was no mention of his mother. The IGI shows a Thomas Malcolm being born in Arngask, Fife in 1812, which would tie in with his age at death. It shows only Alexander Malcolm as his father, but no mother’s name. A search on SP reveals the same information. I have also tried local records at the AK Bell library in Perth but the births for Arngask at that time seemed to be missing.
I have also found census information on Thomas as listed below. The ages do vary slightly, as does the place of birth. This is not surprising after reading various posts on TS. I am pretty sure the following is accurate as the names and ages of other family members are what I would expect them to be.
Year Place Age Born In
1841 Falkland 25 Arngask
1851 Arngask 32 Arngask
1861 Portmoak 46 Redford Neuck
1871 Orwell 57 Portmoak
Up to now I have been unable to find any record of Thomas’s marriage to his wfe, Elis(z)abeth Gibson. I am assuming that they were not actually married.
Anyway, back to Alexander Malcolm. Before writing this post I reviewed what information I had on Alexander. I have two prints of the 1841 census downloaded from SP, both for Alexander Malcolm. One has Alexander aged 72 living with his wife Euphemia in Kinross. Alexanders’ occupation is shown as Shoemaker!
I couldn’t believe my luck. How could I have missed this connection before? I checked the IGI and found that Alexander, married Euphemia Brown in Portmoak in 1798. I also found an Alexander Malcolm born in Orwell on 03/12/1767, which would tie in with his age in the 1841 census, or at least very close. His Parents were Peter Malcolm and Sarah Graham. Alas, I can find no record of their marriage either in IGI or SP.
Ok, I can hear you all thinking, why hasn’t he posted this in the success stories forum?
Well, I wanted to exclude the Alexander Malcolm on the other 1841 Cencus print. He was living in Orwell with his wfe Janet and three children. His occupation was Ag. Lab and he was aged 70.
Going back to Alexanders’ son Thomas and wife Elisabeth. They had nine children. Their first two sons, Alexander and David and first two daughters, Hannah and Janet would tie in with the traditional Scottish naming pattern. Elisabeth’s parents were David and Hannah and also assuming that Thomas’s parents were Alexander and Janet, they would match perfectly.
So I now feel that I am back to square one. My gut feeling tells me that the first Alexander with the ‘shoemaker’ connection is the one that I’m looking for. However, his wife’s name was Euphemia, and there are no Euphemia’s in the following generations. Or at least, none that I have found up to now.
I would appreciate any advice you could give. I know that if anyone can help it will be someone from TS. Obviously picking the wrong Alexander could result in tracing the wrong family line.
For those of you who have read this far, apologies for the lengthy posting, but I wanted to give you all as much information as I could.
Bill
Which Alexander Malcolm?????.....
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Which Alexander Malcolm?????.....
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Hi Bill
Good to see you back with your brickwall. Its late & I'll have to think about what you have posted, but meanwhile, from GROS
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files/li ... 9to459.pdf
here is a list of the available dates for Arngask OPRS.
404. ARNGASK
404/1A B 1688-1706 M 1688-1706 D 1702-03
404/1B B 1707-26 M 1707-26 D 1707-26
404/2 B 1726-47 M 1726-48 D 1726-48
404/3 B 1748-82 M 1748-80 D 1748-80
404/4 B 1783-1819 M 1780-1819 D 1780-1819
404/5 B 1820-54 M 1820-54 D 1820-54
- many OPRs do give just the father's name, so that may be the case with Arngask...
Best wishes
Lesley
Good to see you back with your brickwall. Its late & I'll have to think about what you have posted, but meanwhile, from GROS
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files/li ... 9to459.pdf
here is a list of the available dates for Arngask OPRS.
404. ARNGASK
404/1A B 1688-1706 M 1688-1706 D 1702-03
404/1B B 1707-26 M 1707-26 D 1707-26
404/2 B 1726-47 M 1726-48 D 1726-48
404/3 B 1748-82 M 1748-80 D 1748-80
404/4 B 1783-1819 M 1780-1819 D 1780-1819
404/5 B 1820-54 M 1820-54 D 1820-54
- many OPRs do give just the father's name, so that may be the case with Arngask...
Best wishes
Lesley
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Hi folksLesleyB wrote:Hi Bill
Good to see you back with your brickwall. Its late & I'll have to think about what you have posted, but meanwhile, from GROS
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files/li ... 9to459.pdf
here is a list of the available dates for Arngask OPRS.
404. ARNGASK
404/1A B 1688-1706 M 1688-1706 D 1702-03
404/1B B 1707-26 M 1707-26 D 1707-26
404/2 B 1726-47 M 1726-48 D 1726-48
404/3 B 1748-82 M 1748-80 D 1748-80
404/4 B 1783-1819 M 1780-1819 D 1780-1819
404/5 B 1820-54 M 1820-54 D 1820-54
- many OPRs do give just the father's name, so that may be the case with Arngask...
Best wishes
Lesley
According to Bloxham's Key to the Parochial Registers the only dates the mother's names do appear are from Jan 1748 to Jan 1752....so looks like you'll not be finding her there.
Best wishes
Jean
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Hi Lesley and Jean
Thankyou both for your comments
I think I have searched through every OPR on IGI for Arngask, Orwell, Portmoak and Kinross and probably a few more besides
I have spent the past two nights on the IGI trying to prove that Alexander and Janet Malcolm are the couple that I don't want, thus proving that Alexander and Euphemia are the correct couple. The trouble is, I think I have done the opposite
I still had my doubts about ignoring the naming pattern connected with Alexander and Janet, so I have done quite a bit of hunting.
After searching I have found the following:
Children of Alexander Malcolm and Janet Young:-
01/11/1795 James b Portmoak
09/06/1800 Robert born Portmoak
07/06/1802 Jean b Portmoak
19/12/1802 John b Portmoak
21/06/1804 David b Portmoak
19/12/1807 Alexander b Portmoak*
08/12/1808 Janet b Portmoak
Children of Alexander Malcolm:-
19/10/1810 John b Arngask
14/06/1812 Thomas b Arngask
07/07/1814 William b Arngask*
24/09/1818 Isabella b Arngask*
* Also on 1841 Census with Alexander
and Janet living in Orwell, Kinross
Alexander and Janet were married in Portmoak 06/12/1694. I have tried various searches to try and tie the above children in with other parents, but it keeps coming back to Alexander and Janet. Or do you think it's a case of me seeing what I want to see?
I have put all of this info on a Tree Outline sheet which Bill McDonald made available on TS. I have found that it's made it a lot easier to collate the information.
Could someone tell me if i appear to be on the right track, or am I becoming obsessed with this and going round the bend? Maybe having a whisky would help
If anyone would like to check my findings on this, I would be more than happy to e-mail a copy of the Tree Outline.
I think I'm going to have a break from it for a couple of days, otherwise I can't be resposible for my actions
Thanks for your patience
Regards
Bill
Thankyou both for your comments
I think I have searched through every OPR on IGI for Arngask, Orwell, Portmoak and Kinross and probably a few more besides
I have spent the past two nights on the IGI trying to prove that Alexander and Janet Malcolm are the couple that I don't want, thus proving that Alexander and Euphemia are the correct couple. The trouble is, I think I have done the opposite
I still had my doubts about ignoring the naming pattern connected with Alexander and Janet, so I have done quite a bit of hunting.
After searching I have found the following:
Children of Alexander Malcolm and Janet Young:-
01/11/1795 James b Portmoak
09/06/1800 Robert born Portmoak
07/06/1802 Jean b Portmoak
19/12/1802 John b Portmoak
21/06/1804 David b Portmoak
19/12/1807 Alexander b Portmoak*
08/12/1808 Janet b Portmoak
Children of Alexander Malcolm:-
19/10/1810 John b Arngask
14/06/1812 Thomas b Arngask
07/07/1814 William b Arngask*
24/09/1818 Isabella b Arngask*
* Also on 1841 Census with Alexander
and Janet living in Orwell, Kinross
Alexander and Janet were married in Portmoak 06/12/1694. I have tried various searches to try and tie the above children in with other parents, but it keeps coming back to Alexander and Janet. Or do you think it's a case of me seeing what I want to see?
I have put all of this info on a Tree Outline sheet which Bill McDonald made available on TS. I have found that it's made it a lot easier to collate the information.
Could someone tell me if i appear to be on the right track, or am I becoming obsessed with this and going round the bend? Maybe having a whisky would help
If anyone would like to check my findings on this, I would be more than happy to e-mail a copy of the Tree Outline.
I think I'm going to have a break from it for a couple of days, otherwise I can't be resposible for my actions
Thanks for your patience
Regards
Bill
Researching MALCOLM from Fife, Kinross and Perth and LENNOX from Dunblane and St. Ninians. Cross, Stewart/Stuart from Perthshire.
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Hi Bill
however, what might help more is to see the actual OPRs, if you have not already. The IGI online is not complete. And it only gives a very brief summary. If it were me, I'd be off to drink in the detail that can be found...sometimes... in the OPRs. These can be found on microfilm in Edinburgh (NRH), but also at the Scottish Genealogy Society but possiblly nearer for you, the complete Fife OPRs are held at Cupar Library.
Best wishes
Lesley
Might....Maybe having a whisky would help
however, what might help more is to see the actual OPRs, if you have not already. The IGI online is not complete. And it only gives a very brief summary. If it were me, I'd be off to drink in the detail that can be found...sometimes... in the OPRs. These can be found on microfilm in Edinburgh (NRH), but also at the Scottish Genealogy Society but possiblly nearer for you, the complete Fife OPRs are held at Cupar Library.
Best wishes
Lesley
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Hi Lesley
I realise that the original OPR's might be of more help. And I think that the local AK Bell Library has microfilm for Kinross OPR's. Unfortunately, between work and personal circumstances, it's difficult for me to get to the library and I have to admit, I do rely heavily on finding information online. My last visit was last April and I can't see me being able to visit anytime soon.
I'm hoping that the OPR's on SP will help when they come online. I have spent a lot of time on the IGI and am pretty certain that I am on the right lines, but there is always that element of doubt and the hope that a second opinion would help one way or the other. There is also the likelyhood that some vital records could be missing.
Although I am confident of my findings, I would certainly try and confirm their accuracy by checking OPR's at a later date. But I also realise that trawling through the microfilm can be rather time consuming.
Hopefully I can get the time for a few visits to the library, as I know that it's the best thing to do, as you suggested.
Kind regards
Bill
I realise that the original OPR's might be of more help. And I think that the local AK Bell Library has microfilm for Kinross OPR's. Unfortunately, between work and personal circumstances, it's difficult for me to get to the library and I have to admit, I do rely heavily on finding information online. My last visit was last April and I can't see me being able to visit anytime soon.
I'm hoping that the OPR's on SP will help when they come online. I have spent a lot of time on the IGI and am pretty certain that I am on the right lines, but there is always that element of doubt and the hope that a second opinion would help one way or the other. There is also the likelyhood that some vital records could be missing.
Although I am confident of my findings, I would certainly try and confirm their accuracy by checking OPR's at a later date. But I also realise that trawling through the microfilm can be rather time consuming.
Hopefully I can get the time for a few visits to the library, as I know that it's the best thing to do, as you suggested.
Kind regards
Bill
Researching MALCOLM from Fife, Kinross and Perth and LENNOX from Dunblane and St. Ninians. Cross, Stewart/Stuart from Perthshire.
http://billmalc.tribalpages.com/
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Re: Which Alexander Malcolm?????.....
I see this is a very old post, however, the line I am now looking at are attached to Isabella Malcolm(1818-1905) as mentioned above. Her parents were Alexander Malcolm and Janet Young.