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by Andy » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:18 pm
Hi Y'all,
My daughter's choir came second, they had a great time but got back home at 2:00am so I'm not up-to-speed this morning.
I've only conducted a first pass on Elsie and Jane McBain and hope that Davie jumps on board to help because there are alarm bells all over this pair and I suspect this would be a BEEZER for his students.
Elsie McBain/McBean isn't a very common name, Jane was born (illegitimate) in 1888 so I'm assuming that the mother was fairly young.
There are only 8 Els* M*cB*n births in the whole of Scotland between 1855 and 1881.
1 1864 MCBAIN ELSIE F FORRES MORAY 137/00 0088
2 1879 MCBAIN ELSIE MILNE F FORDYCE BANFF 153/01 0045
3 1876 MCBAIN ELSIE WYNESS F SAVOCH ABERDEEN 237/B0 0017
4 1880 MCBAIN ELSPET BELLA F RATHVEN BANFF 164/00 0119
5 1881 MCBAIN ELSPET JANE MOR F OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN 168/02 0744
6 1881 MCBAIN ELSPET MACLEAN F BOYNDIE BANFF 149/00 0028
7 1867 MCBEAN ELSIE MURRAY F OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN BURGH ABERDEEN 168/02 1173
8 1855 MCBEAN ELSPETH F AUCHTERGAVEN PERTH 330/00 0001
In reality those from 1876 can be discounted, leaving only four.
The 1881 census only yields 6 Els* McB*n:
MC BAIN, Elspet MothL <1805> Birth: Kinc Fetteresso
Census: Aber Aboyne
MC BAIN, Elspeth Head <1814> Birth: Mora Inverallan
Census: Inve Duthil
MC BAIN, Elsie Wife <1850> Birth: Aber Peterhead
Census: Aber Strichen
MC BAIN, Elsie Dau <1874> Birth: Inve Cromdale
Census: Elgn Cromdale
MC BAIN, Elsie W. Dau <1876> Birth: Aber Ellon
Census: Aber Ellon
MC BAIN, Elspet Milne GDau <1879> Birth: Banf Fordyce
Census: Banf Fordyce
The one in Cromdale looks the best bet.
Dwelling: Balvattan
Census Place: Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203431 GRO Ref Volume 128-B2 EnumDist 4 Page 5
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William MC BAIN M 40 M Cromdale, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Lab
Christina MC BAIN M 36 F Cromdale, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Elsie MC BAIN 7 F Cromdale, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
Marjory MC BAIN 5 F Cromdale, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Dau
James MC BAIN 3 M Cromdale, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Son
Peter FERGUSON U 25 M Cromdale, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Bro In Law
Occ: Farm Serv
None of these M*c*B*n children were registered.
Back to the census were I did a search for Faebuie, as you said only a few houses, I'm assuming the various Frasers were yours. But, a few listings away there is:
Dwelling: Faebuie No 4
Census Place: Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203431 GRO Ref Volume 128-B1 EnumDist 1 Page 3
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Alexander GRANT M 60 M Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Farmer Of 9 Acres Of Which 6 Arable
Jane GRANT M 38 F Abernethy, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Farmers Wife
Elsie GRANT U 13 F Inverallan, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Thomas J. GRANT U 4 M Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Son
Alexander GRANT U 2 M Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Son
No help at all, no images for the children's births. So onto Jane McBain's birth in 1888. There are a few. The first I chose was the one for Cromdale.
This certificate shows two transcribed illegitimate births to two unmarried Elsie's in two different places. One for Isabella FRASER Grant at 1 Grant Street, Woodside to Elsie Grant, at home, Domicil [sic] Wester Lettoch and Jane McBain at South Street Grantown to Elsie McBain, Domestic Servant, Domicil [sic] Faebuie.
There is a RCC entry across (effectively joining) both entries.
Problem is that there is no sign of Isabella Grant around the area in 1891 and no deaths.
This seems to be Elsie Grant in 1881:
Dwelling: Wester Lettoch
Census Place: Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203431 GRO Ref Volume 128-B1 EnumDist 5 Page 1
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John GRANT M 76 M Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Farmer Of 152 Acres Of Which 40 Arable
Isabella GRANT M 56 F Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Farmers Wife
William GRANT U 32 M Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Farmers Son
Charles GRANT U 26 M Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Farmers Son
Louisa C. W. GRANT U 21 F Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Farmers Daur
Janet GRANT U 19 F Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Farmers Daur
Elsie GRANT U 17 F Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Farmers Daur
Mary Ann GRANT U 15 F Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Farmers Daur
Donny GRANT 6 M Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Grandson
Occ: Scholar
William ROSS U 41 M Laurencekirk, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Shepherd
Her mother was Isabella Fraser.
Elsie Grant gave the address 1 Grant Street, Woodside (in Old Machar) in 1881 INFURIATINGLY we have:
Dwelling: 1 Grant St
Census Place: Aberdeen Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203451 GRO Ref Volume 168-2 EnumDist 48A Page 14
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Isabella GRANT W 63 F Knockando, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Late Dom Serv
Elsie McBain gives her address as South Street, Grantown (as far as I can see it's the same enumeration district as Cromdale) where in 1881 we find:
Dwelling: New South Street
Census Place: Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203431 GRO Ref Volume 128-B2 EnumDist 7 Page 22
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John GRANT M 40 M Grantown, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Physician & Surgeon Aberdeen University
Elizabeth M. GRANT M 25 F Nairn, Nairn, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Occ: Doctors Wife
Alexander Mann GRANT U 4 M Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Doctors Son
Madeline GRANT U 4 m F Cromdale, Elgin, Scotland
Rel: Dau
Occ: Doctors Dau
Isabella MC KENZIE U 21 F Petty, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Ser
Occ: Gen Ser Dom
Isabella CAMPBELL U 19 F Alvie, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Ser
Occ: Nurse Dom Ser
Ewen SUTHERLAND U 19 M Abernethy, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Ser
Occ: Coachman Dom Ser
See why I started to hunt for the Grants as well as McBain's????
As I said this is a first pass and there is an annoying amount of missing images.
There is no sign of a likely Isabella (Fraser) Grant in 1891 and no deaths before 1891. There is an Elsie Grant age 27 still staying at Wester Lettoch in 1891.
There is a 21 year old, domestic servant, Elsie McBain in Banff who gives Grantown, Moray as her birth place but even using five years either side of 1870 can't see a trace of her in 1881.
If Elsie Grant's mother, Isabella Fraser turns out to be a sister to James Fraser who married your Euphemia Grubb or a sister of the father, William who married Isabella Cameron, then I strongly suspect a wee cover-up of an illegitimate birth.
So sorry, wee Jane's still on top of the scanner but she MAY be related.
Searching for Keogh, Kelly, Fitzgerald, Riddell, Stewart, Wilson, McQuilkin, Lynch, Boyle, Cairney, Ross, King, McIlravey, McCurdy, Drennan and Woods (to name but a few).
Also looking for any information on Rathlin Island, County Antrim, Ireland.
