Good morning all, and yes very well done Jack, great to see you back with your Detective hat. You are a marvel, and yes right on Annette, John sure did not waste any time. Poor Elizabeth was sick only 4 months with Brights Disease. she died 11th February and he marries Martha in June.
The 1901 census has this family living at 85 Kilbowie Road and I could never figure it out. my grandfather, William is Head here, married to Helen Taylor, with 1 year old John, my father's brother and my father was born 25th July 1901. I still can't figure out what children John & Elizabeth had and John & Martha. It's like a soap opera and it gets better when grandfather William disappears. I can find no death for him, and his wife Helen left her three children with her sisters and took off to Canada and married another man. The plot just thickened!
Lizzie
Searching for John Rankin
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nelmit
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Re: Searching for John Rankin
Yes he did Jack!Jack wrote:Hi Lizzie,
Yes Annette, a wee mystery so far in 1881, but perhaps we are narrowing it down?
Did Joseph (b.1872) become a Robert?
Makes more sense as that is John's father's forename.
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Jack
I tried a search of the poorhouse applications today and only came up with one from Joseph who applied under the name of Robert.
Robert Rankin registered Joseph
Address - Hyde Park Home Age 21, single, Protestant.
Disability - Saw wound to left hand.
Letter from father says he was registered as Joseph Robert Rankin born March 29th 1872.
Because it didn't tell you anything you don't know (and I didn't have a lot of time) I will just tell you that Robert was a bit of a wild child in his youth flitting from reformatory to industrial school till around 1888.
Nice to see he ended up back with his family in 1901.
Lizzie - This just 'puts the tin lid on it' - we definitely have the right family as Robert's (Joseph's) previous addresses match with the census records.
regards,
Annette M
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Lizzie
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I think I missed something with Joseph. Was this son of Martha & John?
I purchased Martha Rankin's death image today. She died 1945 age 94. Informant was George Rankin Son, living at 2154 Gartlock Road. Usual Residence, 49 1/2 North Street Glasgow. I wonder what the 1/2 stands for. Seems they lived at the same address.
Lizzie
I purchased Martha Rankin's death image today. She died 1945 age 94. Informant was George Rankin Son, living at 2154 Gartlock Road. Usual Residence, 49 1/2 North Street Glasgow. I wonder what the 1/2 stands for. Seems they lived at the same address.
Lizzie
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Hi Lizzie
The 1/2 probably indicates which flat they lived in in a common close.
Something like 'first floor, second flat. Many Glasgow tenements were three or four storeys high. On the ground floor there could be two, sometimes four flats (some were two roomed so only two of then) with entrances to right and left of the stair.
On the first and upper floors there could be 3 or 4 flats. Often 2 roomed on each side of the landing with 1 ( or 2) single roomed flats in the middle
2 rooms constuted a 'room and kitchen'. Single roomed flats were known as 'single ends'
They packed in the tenants in the old days.
Russell
The 1/2 probably indicates which flat they lived in in a common close.
Something like 'first floor, second flat. Many Glasgow tenements were three or four storeys high. On the ground floor there could be two, sometimes four flats (some were two roomed so only two of then) with entrances to right and left of the stair.
On the first and upper floors there could be 3 or 4 flats. Often 2 roomed on each side of the landing with 1 ( or 2) single roomed flats in the middle
2 rooms constuted a 'room and kitchen'. Single roomed flats were known as 'single ends'
They packed in the tenants in the old days.
Russell
Working on: Oman, Brock, Miller/Millar, in Caithness.
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny
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Joseph (Robert) was the son of John and Elizabeth McDivett (McDade) - see Jack's post.Lizzie wrote:I think I missed something with Joseph. Was this son of Martha & John?
I purchased Martha Rankin's death image today. She died 1945 age 94. Informant was George Rankin Son, living at 2154 Gartlock Road. Usual Residence, 49 1/2 North Street Glasgow. I wonder what the 1/2 stands for. Seems they lived at the same address.
Lizzie
Looks like Martha may have died in Gartlock Hospital.
Russell is right about flat numbers but there were also a number of buildings that looked like they had been stuck in between originals and they were given the suffix 1/2.
Regards,
Annette M
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Jack
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Good on you Annette,
That very useful Poor House application for Joseph / Robert, as you said, "puts the tin lid on it"....!
There is a Robt. Rankin in Mossbank Industrial School in 1881 - but as he 12yrs, perhaps too old?
But you're confusing me....easily done...
I can't see Joseph / Robert with the family in 1901.
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Re those ½ numbers -
You're right Russell, my 2nd son lives in a tenement, and his address is 1/3 (1st door on the 3rd landing).
And like yourself Annette, i've noticed buildings that look to having been "stuck in between" given ½.
Also what was possibly single entrance tenements, perhaps demolished for some reason,
and the new buildings replacing them now having two entrances (so the original single number now also has a ½).
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Lizzie, I know you have this census; i'm thinking there's just been a wee bit of confusion along the line somewhere.
Martha, as you know, wasn't William's mother.
John (50) should've been as father, Martha (41) as stepmother, and Isabella (20) as sister.
But relatives - even very close ones - are unfortunately often listed as boarders, lodgers, or visitors.
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1901 census 501 Ed 26 p 33 (Old Kilpatrick)
Singers Buildings, 85 Kilbowie Rd, Clydebank.
William RANKIN, head, marrd, 25, sewing mach. needle maker, b Glasgow, LKS
Helen Mason RANKIN, wife, marrd, 23, -----------------------------b Bonnybridge, STI
Isabella Taylor RANKIN, daur, 3, ----------------------------------b Clydebank, DNB
John Leishman RANKIN, son, 1, -------------------------------b Clydebank, DNB
John RANKIN, boarder, marrd, 50, shipyard labourer, b Ireland
Martha Bailey RANKIN, mother, marrd, 41, house duties, b Ireland
Isabella RANKIN, daur, u/m 20, sewing mach. needle cutter? b Glasgow, LKS
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And so Martha's 1945 DC shows a son George as the informant....
Wonder where he popped up from! A late baby for Martha....?
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Jack
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ps; Lizzie, i presume you've seen this picture of "Singer's Buildings" ?
The "View Larger Image" shows better detail.
http://www.theclydebankstory.com/image. ... TCSA07.php
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That very useful Poor House application for Joseph / Robert, as you said, "puts the tin lid on it"....!
There is a Robt. Rankin in Mossbank Industrial School in 1881 - but as he 12yrs, perhaps too old?
But you're confusing me....easily done...
I can't see Joseph / Robert with the family in 1901.
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Re those ½ numbers -
You're right Russell, my 2nd son lives in a tenement, and his address is 1/3 (1st door on the 3rd landing).
And like yourself Annette, i've noticed buildings that look to having been "stuck in between" given ½.
Also what was possibly single entrance tenements, perhaps demolished for some reason,
and the new buildings replacing them now having two entrances (so the original single number now also has a ½).
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Lizzie, I know you have this census; i'm thinking there's just been a wee bit of confusion along the line somewhere.
Martha, as you know, wasn't William's mother.
John (50) should've been as father, Martha (41) as stepmother, and Isabella (20) as sister.
But relatives - even very close ones - are unfortunately often listed as boarders, lodgers, or visitors.
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1901 census 501 Ed 26 p 33 (Old Kilpatrick)
Singers Buildings, 85 Kilbowie Rd, Clydebank.
William RANKIN, head, marrd, 25, sewing mach. needle maker, b Glasgow, LKS
Helen Mason RANKIN, wife, marrd, 23, -----------------------------b Bonnybridge, STI
Isabella Taylor RANKIN, daur, 3, ----------------------------------b Clydebank, DNB
John Leishman RANKIN, son, 1, -------------------------------b Clydebank, DNB
John RANKIN, boarder, marrd, 50, shipyard labourer, b Ireland
Martha Bailey RANKIN, mother, marrd, 41, house duties, b Ireland
Isabella RANKIN, daur, u/m 20, sewing mach. needle cutter? b Glasgow, LKS
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And so Martha's 1945 DC shows a son George as the informant....
Wonder where he popped up from! A late baby for Martha....?
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Jack
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ps; Lizzie, i presume you've seen this picture of "Singer's Buildings" ?
The "View Larger Image" shows better detail.
http://www.theclydebankstory.com/image. ... TCSA07.php
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You are right Jack, this is what started me off, it was so confusing.
Whilst I waited for the 1901 census I expected to see my father there (census was obviously earlier than July). The 1 year old John Leishman Rankin is obviously my father's brother. The "Boarder" was a distraction but now you have explained everything it is clear at last.
Like my parents I was also born in Clydebank, I remember about Singers Building and that CLOCK. I went to a small school in 1933 on the same side of the Road but do not remember it's name and no one else will remember this school, (now I am really dating myself). I also remember mum talking about "Singlends" ? Now I can see it was Single Ends. We lived at the top floor of Wee Gorden Street which I am sure was demolished in the Blitz.
Once again thank you all it has been a well worth my post on finding John Rankin.
Whilst I waited for the 1901 census I expected to see my father there (census was obviously earlier than July). The 1 year old John Leishman Rankin is obviously my father's brother. The "Boarder" was a distraction but now you have explained everything it is clear at last.
Like my parents I was also born in Clydebank, I remember about Singers Building and that CLOCK. I went to a small school in 1933 on the same side of the Road but do not remember it's name and no one else will remember this school, (now I am really dating myself). I also remember mum talking about "Singlends" ? Now I can see it was Single Ends. We lived at the top floor of Wee Gorden Street which I am sure was demolished in the Blitz.
Once again thank you all it has been a well worth my post on finding John Rankin.
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Sorry Jack it's me who was confused I should have said 1891.Jack wrote:Good on you Annette,
That very useful Poor House application for Joseph / Robert, as you said, "puts the tin lid on it"....!
There is a Robt. Rankin in Mossbank Industrial School in 1881 - but as he 12yrs, perhaps too old?
But you're confusing me....easily done...
I can't see Joseph / Robert with the family in 1901.
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Robert was in a reform school from 1886-1888 when he was 14 years and 7 days old.
He was also in Stirling Industrial School after Wallace Place.
Regards,
Annette M
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Jack
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Hi Lizzie,
Glad to hear you now understand the confusion of that 1901 census.
Not everything, as you know, is straightforward in family history....!
The very useful TS Census link at the top of the page gives info on census dates, and much more besides.
Alas wee Gordon Street is no more -
anything that was left of it is now buried under the concrete or tarmac of the new shopping centre.
It's a very different Clydebank from what you'll have memories of.....
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And Hi Annette,
Understand now - i was a bit slow and should've realised you'd meant 1891.
Hope Robert did settle down in later life.
More work for Lizzie now in tracing what happened to him and his siblings!
But i'm dashed if i can find the Rankin family in 1871 or 1881....
Cheers - Jack
Glad to hear you now understand the confusion of that 1901 census.
Not everything, as you know, is straightforward in family history....!
The very useful TS Census link at the top of the page gives info on census dates, and much more besides.
Alas wee Gordon Street is no more -
anything that was left of it is now buried under the concrete or tarmac of the new shopping centre.
It's a very different Clydebank from what you'll have memories of.....
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And Hi Annette,
Understand now - i was a bit slow and should've realised you'd meant 1891.
Hope Robert did settle down in later life.
More work for Lizzie now in tracing what happened to him and his siblings!
But i'm dashed if i can find the Rankin family in 1871 or 1881....
Cheers - Jack