Oh my goodness! There's multiple additional replies back from July!! How wonderful!! Yes yes yes, this is my family. Let me digest what's been posted and link it in with what I have. Then I'll post more info.
And there's tombstones!! Oh this is wonderful. Thank you thank you. I'll post more soon.
Linda
Thomas CHALMERS + Margaret BARRIE '61/'51 census? ....
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Linda Kemp
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Agnes,
We’re blood cousins!! Your ggm Agnes and my ggf Thomas were brother & sister (hope I've got this straight):
• I’m the great-granddaughter of railway worker Thomas Barrie CHALMERS I (b.~Aug 1850 Chapelhall, d.11 Apr 1895 Hamilton) + Grace HODGE (b.28 Jan 1855 Calderbank, d.30 Nov 1941 Harvey, Cook County, Illinois, USA). (In Illinois, Grace later married Samuel HOEY, who came from Scotland about the same time, 1909.) BTW, my brother Dick has Thomas’ railroad pocket watch.
• And Thomas was, of course, the child of Thomas CHALMERS (b.~1814 New Monkland, d.? Scotland) + Margaret Russell BARRIE (b.12 Jun 1822 Slamannan, d.28 Nov 1901, Motherwell).
I suspected the father of Thomas BARRIE I (b.1790) was John (based on naming convention), which you just confirmed. And that his mother was Agnes YOUNG, which you also just confirmed. Hot dog!
Regarding the 22 July 1843 Bothwell Parish marriage between Thomas “CHAMERS” & Marion BARRIE: they could be our Thomas & Margaret and the names were just recorded wrong, or perhaps Margaret sometimes went by the name Marion. The year 1843 is about right. But then again they could be cousins of our Thomas & Margaret. I’d guess a little over 50/50 chance it’s ours.
So Agnes, are you using Family Tree Maker?
Wilma,
The tombstone inscriptions you found have to be us. Thomas Barrie I could have died about 1829 (I have it figured sometime after 1826).
The next stone you mention (with dates 1889-1935) is most likely extended family.
It’s a good chance the Robert Barry/Agnes Scott and John Barry/Mary Shanks stone you mention is ours as well (changing the spelling of a last name was not uncommon).
Yes, if you could post the details, and other ones you see for Slamannan or Airth, it would be wonderful!
Thank you! Linda
We’re blood cousins!! Your ggm Agnes and my ggf Thomas were brother & sister (hope I've got this straight):
• I’m the great-granddaughter of railway worker Thomas Barrie CHALMERS I (b.~Aug 1850 Chapelhall, d.11 Apr 1895 Hamilton) + Grace HODGE (b.28 Jan 1855 Calderbank, d.30 Nov 1941 Harvey, Cook County, Illinois, USA). (In Illinois, Grace later married Samuel HOEY, who came from Scotland about the same time, 1909.) BTW, my brother Dick has Thomas’ railroad pocket watch.
• And Thomas was, of course, the child of Thomas CHALMERS (b.~1814 New Monkland, d.? Scotland) + Margaret Russell BARRIE (b.12 Jun 1822 Slamannan, d.28 Nov 1901, Motherwell).
I suspected the father of Thomas BARRIE I (b.1790) was John (based on naming convention), which you just confirmed. And that his mother was Agnes YOUNG, which you also just confirmed. Hot dog!
Regarding the 22 July 1843 Bothwell Parish marriage between Thomas “CHAMERS” & Marion BARRIE: they could be our Thomas & Margaret and the names were just recorded wrong, or perhaps Margaret sometimes went by the name Marion. The year 1843 is about right. But then again they could be cousins of our Thomas & Margaret. I’d guess a little over 50/50 chance it’s ours.
So Agnes, are you using Family Tree Maker?
Wilma,
The tombstone inscriptions you found have to be us. Thomas Barrie I could have died about 1829 (I have it figured sometime after 1826).
The next stone you mention (with dates 1889-1935) is most likely extended family.
It’s a good chance the Robert Barry/Agnes Scott and John Barry/Mary Shanks stone you mention is ours as well (changing the spelling of a last name was not uncommon).
Yes, if you could post the details, and other ones you see for Slamannan or Airth, it would be wonderful!
Thank you! Linda
Geddes | Barrie | Chalmers | Cowan | Drummond | Fergus(on) | Gibson | Hodge | McCall | McClymont | Paterson | Robertson | Rodger | Sinclair | Stevenson | Stewart | Stitt | primarily Ayr, Lanark, Stirling
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Number 182 is in full :
1829 / THOMAS BARRIE/ And/ MARGARET STEVENSON [ there are no more details on this stone so it isn't clear if they died in 1829 or if that was when they bought the lair and erected a stone]
number 181 :
Erected by JOHN L. BARRIE/ in memory of His father/ WILLIAM BARRIE,/Died 29th Sept 1889, Aged62/ His Mother CATHERINE LOCH/ Died 24th Augt 1911 Aged 88/ The above/ JOHN L BARRIE/ died 2nd june 1926, Aged64/ LILLIAS L BARRIE/ Died 24th jan 1928 Aged 71/ WILLIAM BARRIE/Died 26th march 1935 Aged 68
number21 :
1808 ROBERT BARRY/ AGNES SCOTT
[again not a lot to go on!]
number 23:
JS:JW/ THIS=IS=THE=PROPERTY/OF=JOHN=BARRY=ANd/ MARY=SHANKS=HIS/ WIFE=ANd=THEIR/ CHILDREN 1806
[I assume the = means that the words all run together on the stone]
202:
THIS IS THE BURING/ PLACE OF JOHNCHALMER/ OF ROUGHRIDGE AND/ ISBEL WILSON HIS SPOUS/ ALSO ISOBEL BRYSON DAU/GHTER OF ALEXANDER BRYSON
These are all in the Graveyard at Slamannan. There aren't any Warks recorded at all.
1829 / THOMAS BARRIE/ And/ MARGARET STEVENSON [ there are no more details on this stone so it isn't clear if they died in 1829 or if that was when they bought the lair and erected a stone]
number 181 :
Erected by JOHN L. BARRIE/ in memory of His father/ WILLIAM BARRIE,/Died 29th Sept 1889, Aged62/ His Mother CATHERINE LOCH/ Died 24th Augt 1911 Aged 88/ The above/ JOHN L BARRIE/ died 2nd june 1926, Aged64/ LILLIAS L BARRIE/ Died 24th jan 1928 Aged 71/ WILLIAM BARRIE/Died 26th march 1935 Aged 68
number21 :
1808 ROBERT BARRY/ AGNES SCOTT
[again not a lot to go on!]
number 23:
JS:JW/ THIS=IS=THE=PROPERTY/OF=JOHN=BARRY=ANd/ MARY=SHANKS=HIS/ WIFE=ANd=THEIR/ CHILDREN 1806
[I assume the = means that the words all run together on the stone]
202:
THIS IS THE BURING/ PLACE OF JOHNCHALMER/ OF ROUGHRIDGE AND/ ISBEL WILSON HIS SPOUS/ ALSO ISOBEL BRYSON DAU/GHTER OF ALEXANDER BRYSON
These are all in the Graveyard at Slamannan. There aren't any Warks recorded at all.
Wilma
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JohnI
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Margaret Barrie
James Walker and Agnes Chalmers are my great great grand parents. The descent is through their daughter Grace. I have the birth record of Grace and there a couple of interesting items on the record.
Firstly, Grace was born on the 29 July 1876 at Oakfield Place in Motherwell. Her name is given as Grace Baillie Walker. I would have expected to see the middle name as Barrie. The parents are given as James Walker, mason(journeyman) and the mother Agnes Walker (ms Chalmers).
Secondly, the informant of the birth is given as:-
Margaret Thomson
(X her mark)
Grandmother (maternal)
As an aside, Grace married Alexander Williams on 21 October 1892. The record gives her age as 17, but if you do the arithmetic she was actually only 16 years and 4 months! Tragically Grace died in 1902 aged 25 years leaving a daughter Agnes ( my maternal grandmother) and a son Alexander.
John
Firstly, Grace was born on the 29 July 1876 at Oakfield Place in Motherwell. Her name is given as Grace Baillie Walker. I would have expected to see the middle name as Barrie. The parents are given as James Walker, mason(journeyman) and the mother Agnes Walker (ms Chalmers).
Secondly, the informant of the birth is given as:-
Margaret Thomson
(X her mark)
Grandmother (maternal)
As an aside, Grace married Alexander Williams on 21 October 1892. The record gives her age as 17, but if you do the arithmetic she was actually only 16 years and 4 months! Tragically Grace died in 1902 aged 25 years leaving a daughter Agnes ( my maternal grandmother) and a son Alexander.
John
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Hi John
and a warm welcome to Talking Scot
My, that was some entrance!!
best wishes
Lesley
and a warm welcome to Talking Scot
My, that was some entrance!!
best wishes
Lesley
Researching:
Midlothian & Fife - Goalen, Lawrie, Ewart, Nimmo, Jamieson, Dick, Ballingall.
Dunbartonshire- Mcnicol, Davy, Guy, McCunn, McKenzie.
Ayrshire- Lyon, Parker, Mitchell, Fraser.
Easter Ross- McCulloch, Smith, Ross, Duff, Rose.
Midlothian & Fife - Goalen, Lawrie, Ewart, Nimmo, Jamieson, Dick, Ballingall.
Dunbartonshire- Mcnicol, Davy, Guy, McCunn, McKenzie.
Ayrshire- Lyon, Parker, Mitchell, Fraser.
Easter Ross- McCulloch, Smith, Ross, Duff, Rose.
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Hi John
Mr Grandmother Agnes Barrie Walker was the sister of Grace Baillie Walker. The Baillie name comes from the marriage of Grace Baillie to Abraham Walker at Lanark, Lanarkshire on 04 Jan 1846. I have the Walker Family Tree going back to Abraham Walker born c 1769 so if you give me your email I'll send it to you.
Agnes AKA Awgie
Mr Grandmother Agnes Barrie Walker was the sister of Grace Baillie Walker. The Baillie name comes from the marriage of Grace Baillie to Abraham Walker at Lanark, Lanarkshire on 04 Jan 1846. I have the Walker Family Tree going back to Abraham Walker born c 1769 so if you give me your email I'll send it to you.
Agnes AKA Awgie
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Re: Thomas CHALMERS + Margaret BARRIE '61/'51 census? ....
I am also looking for a Thomas CHALMERS but I think it is a different person. If anybody has any info. There's two actually:
1) Thomas CHALMERS born 22 August, 1762, Denny, Stirling, Scotland. I have his wife's name down as Anne Bogue (no further details)
2) Thomas CHALMERS (Father of Thomas above). I have his wife listed as Margaret Thomson (no further details)
1) Thomas CHALMERS born 22 August, 1762, Denny, Stirling, Scotland. I have his wife's name down as Anne Bogue (no further details)
2) Thomas CHALMERS (Father of Thomas above). I have his wife listed as Margaret Thomson (no further details)
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Re: Thomas CHALMERS + Margaret BARRIE '61/'51 census? ....
Hi Estriplin
A warm welcome to![[talkingscot]](./images/smilies/talkingscot.png "[talkingscot]")
This has been such a productive thread for several folk that I'm sure one of them has already been down various marital connections. It would be fantastic if they are able to help you although it is an older thread and they may have moved on to other family lines. Fingers crossed that they still keep their TS links open.
Russell
A warm welcome to
This has been such a productive thread for several folk that I'm sure one of them has already been down various marital connections. It would be fantastic if they are able to help you although it is an older thread and they may have moved on to other family lines. Fingers crossed that they still keep their TS links open.
Russell
Working on: Oman, Brock, Miller/Millar, in Caithness.
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny
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Re: Thomas CHALMERS + Margaret BARRIE '61/'51 census? ....
Hello estriplin,
This post is generally about the descendants of Thomas Chalmers (born 1815 in New Monkland, Lanarkshire) and Margaret Russell Barrie (born 1822 in Slamannan, Stirlingshire). Thomas' parents were Thomas Chalmers and Margaret Hutton (born in 1786 in Dunipace, Stirlingshire. I have no further details about Thomas senior, he probably died before the 1841 census.
Perhaps Thomas also came from the same area as his wife (Denny and Dunipace are very close together). He may have been born in the 1780's. That would fit in with your Thomas Chalmers and Anne Bogue, but without documentary evidence it is pure speculation.
John
This post is generally about the descendants of Thomas Chalmers (born 1815 in New Monkland, Lanarkshire) and Margaret Russell Barrie (born 1822 in Slamannan, Stirlingshire). Thomas' parents were Thomas Chalmers and Margaret Hutton (born in 1786 in Dunipace, Stirlingshire. I have no further details about Thomas senior, he probably died before the 1841 census.
Perhaps Thomas also came from the same area as his wife (Denny and Dunipace are very close together). He may have been born in the 1780's. That would fit in with your Thomas Chalmers and Anne Bogue, but without documentary evidence it is pure speculation.
John