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nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:58 pm

James was living with Archibald Crawford and his wife Isabella Stewart in 1901. I wonder if she was related to your Agnes and Charles.

Regards,
Annette

Justjan · Post by **Justjan** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:16 pm

well this springs to mind as Isabella was actually a Stewart by birth ,
was born to Duncan and Mary Stewart , Mary being a Stewart by bith as well
ugh , she died Hill Street 1910 aged 73

Justjan · Post by **Justjan** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:39 pm

hi
i have just found on a census for 1891 a James Stewart born around 1871
add as 46 Elderslie Street Glasgow has Baker which he was , this one says he was born Alexandria Dumbartonshire , says he was living as a Lodger with a Family of Mc Gowns , not sure if this is him or not
jan

Justjan · Post by **Justjan** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:45 pm

but this one has a bakers ass , and its the 1891 , and as he married that year , wonder if hes the one who calls himself a Baker , as thats on Marriage cert ,
this ones details are
James Born born around 1869 a boarder living at 6 Kemp Street
its getting confusing now

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:39 am

Justjan wrote:snipped........................for some reason he needed his birth details and from there found he wasnt these peoples son ,
i have been every which way looking and can find nothing to find out where the information came from ,
so as it stands i have no DOB , as the marriage says he was born 1870 , his death 1867 ,
i cant look the poor house records until i get a DOB , i am so stuck
jan

Like Lesley said you can search the poorhouse records by name then year and place of birth so it's not as big a task as you may think. He may even be indexed under both surnames if you're lucky.

You say he had his birth certificate -but I take it you have never seen it- so who registered his death? Was it somebody who would know his actual birth details from that certificate, therefore making the death entry details more accurate?

I recently did some research for a friend to find out more about her grandfather. On his 3 marriage entries he gave his parents as Eliza Wilson and John Gibson.

I easily found him in 1901 living at Helensburgh.

John Gibson Age: 23 Where born: Stirlingshire, Stirling
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878

Here he is in 1891 living at Perthshire-

John G Kettles Age: 16 Where born: Fowlis Wester, Perthshire
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875

and 1881 at the same place-

John Kettles Age: 6 Where born: Fowlis, Perthshire
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875

Here is his birth -

JOHN GIBSON

22 MAY 1874 Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Parents:
Father: JOHN GIBSON
Mother: JANE WILSON

I was lucky to get help from a sorely missed member of TS on this one and between us we eventually unravelled this man's life. The poorhouse records helped a lot!!

If you live in Glasgow you should definitely head for The Mitchell and the poorhouse applications. I tried to get there this morning but the traffic was so bad I gave up and turned back.

Regards,
Annette

Justjan · Post by **Justjan** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:01 pm

hi Annette
where do i get the names of the poorhouses ?
it was my oldest Aunt who registered the death ,
this is what it says , and no i havent seen the birth cert , probably it was with my oldest aunt long dead ,
James Stewart
formerly Cameron ,
his wifes name
then11th July 1958 and time
his add which is right
M age 91

Grrrrr why didnt i see this properly
Elizabeth Cameron , afterwards Stewart deceased ,
this is what i said all along , i done a search many years ago at reg house , and i found all this out , now it was handwritten and the notes got lost as i moved twice since then ,
i am certain i found she married a James Stewart ,not long after the birth , as in months ,but i cant recall what he done as a occupation ,
we grew up thinking these two were his parents , and finding the marriage threw us , when it gave the info on Charles and Agnes , yet the cousin said these people adopted him very young , and when they died he ended up in the work house /poorhouse , he never hid this from anyone ,
i am banging my head off the desk this time , i had this full version on my external , as i had cropped it , put it through another prog as it was a bad copy , SP sent me this one as it was so bad , i am screaming now , but glad when i say , i was right all along , yet the others said not ,

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:21 pm

There is this marriage in 1868 at Calton that I'd be tempted to look at -

ELIZABETH CAMERON

Marriages:
Spouse: JAMES STEWART
08 JUL 1869 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Possibly the Elizabeth Cameron you found at King Street in 1861?

Regards,
Annette

Justjan · Post by **Justjan** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:26 pm

well would certainly tie in with the 1867 birth wouldnt it ,
or the 3 years difference
i also found a
Elizabeth Cameron age 25
15 west bothwell street
Glasgow
a book binder
married a
James Stewart 29
35 Dock street
Belfast
a Cabinate Journeyman
married 8th July 1869

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:58 pm

Justjan wrote:well would certainly tie in with the 1867 birth wouldnt it ,
or the 3 years difference
i also found a
Elizabeth Cameron age 25
15 west bothwell street
Glasgow
a book binder
married a
James Stewart 29
35 Dock street
Belfast
a Cabinate Journeyman
married 8th July 1869

It looks as though this couple may have moved to Ireland after the marriage - you can see children at the IGI born Co Antrim.

Out of interest what were the parents names on their marriage entry?

Regards,
Annette

Justjan · Post by **Justjan** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:11 pm

if they moved to Ireland , how come James was in Glasgow poorhouse? unless someone brought him back which is doubtful ,
i cant get deaths them
the parents are
Robert and Mary Stewart m/s looks like Louden , both dead
and Archibald and Janes Cameron m/s Christie , both dead

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