??? ROBERTSON b/ ??? WITH SON EDWARD b/1821

robbiej · Post by **robbiej** » Fri May 09, 2008 3:26 am

I have a definite BRICK WALL.
I have a Death Cert, for my Gt. Gt Grandfather, Edward Robertson who was married to an Elizabeth Glen, on 2nd Nov.1845 in the Parish Church, Sth Leith. She died prior,in 1871. He, Edward died 1900.
The Cert gives his Father's name as ?? Robertson but the Christian name is unreadable. It has been suggested as John, but having tried that and numerous other shorter (and abbrieviated)longer names, I can find nothing that gives me an Edward B/1821 in the family.
Has anyone this man in their family connections??? or can you help in any way please, as this has really stumped me.
I would think.... that possibly he would come from the Leith/Midlothian area, as the other forward members have done so.
Any help would very much be appreciated in this...

ROY M · Post by **ROY M** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:31 am

Hi robbiej,
Please remember that the information is only as accurate as the information given to the registrar by the informant. The fathers name and age may not be correct. My example of this was my own maternal grandfather whose death was registered by my father. When I started doing my tree many years ago I found that both my grandfathers parents first names were wrong even though at the time of his death my mother was still alive. Always try to confirm information by another source.

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:07 am

Does the Death Cert give Edward's Mother's names ?

Have you found Edward on any Census entries - that should give a place of birth. The Leith place of marriage could be his wife's home town, not the Robertson family.

The 1841 census may be able to confirm things if he was still living at home then.

robbiej · Post by **robbiej** » Fri May 09, 2008 1:15 pm

Yes. It gives the Mother's name as Margaret Robertson ...nee. More (deceased) I don't know of any way which I can be certain of this.
Do you?
The address given on the Certificate of the deceased is, 42 Easter Road, Leith.
It is signed by his Grnd daughter Maggie (Margaret) Hendrie. who is the daughter of Edward Robertson B/1851 (and I think ? Isabella Gordon.)

I have Edward (The certificate one... & Nothing prior to 1871)... , On the 1871 Census but alone as (a widower, I presume) in Leith ...living with his son Edward B/1851 aged 20.and Margaret - daughter aged 17... .
I don't have him for 1881, but have him again in 1891 as a boarder with his son and family - again in Leith.
I therefore conclude that Leith area is right. There is nothing there indicating his Edward B/1821's Mother or Father.
From 1821 the son's seem to have been called Edward !! BUT this one has me flummixed !
Various people have viewed the Certificate and came up with John, James, Jim, Rob, Robert - you name it !! I cannot find ''him'' to a Margaret More.
I have tried various other names but none have a Margaret More. Also went through the Scotspeople list - nothing.
.Maybe he is a BRICK WALL ! Illigitimate or ???

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Fri May 09, 2008 2:23 pm

The 1841 census on FreeCen has:

Piece: SCT1841/692 Place: Leith South -Midlothian Enumeration District: 43
Civil Parish: Leith South Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St John'sFolio: 43 Page: 14
Address: Salamander Street

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MASON Robert M 35 Mason Midlothian
MASON Jane F 30 Midlothian
HENDERSON Thomas M 40 Labourer Outside Census County (1841)
ROBERTSON Edward M 20 Bottlemaker Appren Midlothian
Would that match any occupation you know of?

The surname Robertson could , I suspect, be found in different forms - others are far more knowledgable than me in that area.

The IGI didn't throw up any likely Edward More births [or Muir/Moor/Moore] if his mother was unmarried at the time.

A puzzle.......

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:03 pm

Hi Robbie,

Do you know where Edward ( b.1821) or any of the other family members were buried? Some times, if you're lucky, you can find a family gravestone with information on it.

Carol

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:46 pm

Hi all
To save lots of duplicated effort, please check out the previous posts on this subject:
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ith+edward

http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ith+edward

Best wishes
Lesley

robbiej · Post by **robbiej** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:36 am

YES Leslie, I did post before, and a great deal of help came forward, but sometimes it pays to try again, and maybe get a fresh view .
Thank you for that tho, as I am sure the others will read up on it, and possibly gain more info, which MAY lead to him.
Spelebot2....
I haven't any Tombstone information at all. Will see if I can find something along that line for Leith. Do you know of any site that has them ?
WilmaM....
Yes, I understand that maybe !! he was the bottlemaker... seems possible, Using him as a possible definite... the Henderson connected with that Censor I think is a possible red herring ....
ON the Death Cert it is signed by Grand Daughter Maggie Hendric
Even so.... it brings back the question of Edward B1821's parents... which is the main concern as to WHO they were....

Post by **paddyscar** » Sat May 10, 2008 5:04 am

robbiej wrote:Yes. It gives the Mother's name as Margaret Robertson ...nee. More (deceased) I don't know of any way which I can be certain of this.
Do you? The address given on the Certificate of the deceased is, 42 Easter Road, Leith.
It is signed by his Grnd daughter Maggie (Margaret) Hendrie. who is the daughter of Edward Robertson B/1851 (and I think ? Isabella Gordon.)

I have Edward (The certificate one... & Nothing prior to 1871)... , On the 1871 Census but alone as (a widower, I presume) in Leith ...living with his son Edward B/1851 aged 20.and Margaret - daughter aged 17... .
I don't have him for 1881, but have him again in 1891 as a boarder with his son and family - again in Leith.
I therefore conclude that Leith area is right. There is nothing there indicating his Edward B/1821's Mother or Father.
From 1821 the son's seem to have been called Edward !! BUT this one has me flummixed !
Various people have viewed the Certificate and came up with John, James, Jim, Rob, Robert - you name it !! I cannot find ''him'' to a Margaret More.
I have tried various other names but none have a Margaret More. Also went through the Scotspeople list - nothing.
.Maybe he is a BRICK WALL ! Illigitimate or ???

Hi Robbie:

Perhaps, if you posted the certificates, some one may be able to divine a few nuggets or make some suggestions that may clarify some of the areas you are having trouble reading.

Frances

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:27 pm

Hi Robbie
I had a look at South Leith MIs and I'm not seeing any Robertson who looks like the ones you are researching.

Another avenue which might be worth exploring is the South Leith OPR deaths. If you are not near Edinburgh, you can order the microfilms of these from your nearest LDS centre. The South Leith records (unlike North Leith

) are very neat, were well kept and are easy to read.

Frances, I think the document you are hoping to see is already in our gallery from last time. The link is in this post:
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic. ... tson+leith

Best wishes
Lesley

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Hi. Yes the Mother's Name is Margaret More. (deceased)

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