Can you work out what the words are?.....

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Post by paddyscar » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:20 pm

Lesley:

Could the second word begin with Volu? As in a word implying voluntarily, since it seems the intent is to itemize whose responsible for success and/or failure? (Well, it seems that way to me, but ...) :lol:

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Post by LesleyB » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:49 pm

Hi Frances
Possibly - looking through the Concise Scots Dictionary for any likely suspects now. Also thought it just might be a T

There are other capital Vs in the document - they seem a little more open than this example, and a bit shorter. The other capital Ts don't seem to quite match either though.... with your V I had a thought it might be some Latin derived word starting Valis/Velis... I dunno...looking something like "Valispure" (I'm making 'em up now!!) but I'm not seeing anything which fits so far....

Thanks for the suggestion, though. We'll crack it yet!
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Lesley

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Post by AnneM » Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:11 pm

The first word is certainly ommissions but I'm stuck with the second. I don't think it's the not delivery hereof as that does not make sense and legal documents usually make at least some sense!!!

Will strain my eyes some more having another look.

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Post by AnneM » Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:17 pm

Hi again

My view is that what the second word says is "I dispense" so that the sentence reads "and I dispense with the ??? delivery hereof"

What that word is I'm not sure but it can't be not.

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Post by LesleyB » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:08 pm

Hi Anne
Thanks for your help. The I dispense bit looks very convincing. Well done! =D>
and legal documents usually make at least some sense
I'm not, however, sure that I agree with the above statement :lol: :lol:
Seriously, although I appreciate there is obviously a reason and a history to it all. but to a mind with no legal training at all, I do wonder sometimes how the heck they came up with some of the convoluted and long winded phrases!

As to the other bit I wonder now if not is an abbreviation - could it be short for something like notarial? - would that make sense?

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Lelsey

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Post by AnneM » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:14 pm

Hi

My guess is that it is meant to say need for and the for has been omitted but again that is a bit of a wild guess.

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Post by LesleyB » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:38 pm

Hi Anne
Concise Scots Dictionary gives this possibility:
not(t) used as past participle of need
which would almost fit with your thoughts, Anne.

Mind you, it also gives: note, not law a formal record, esp in a court register.

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