Kirk Session Records - Beith

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LesleyB
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Re: Kirk Session Records - Beith

Post by LesleyB » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:04 pm

I also believe William Harper had disappeared by 1841
But how can he have disappeared by 1841 yet apparently fathered a child who is born around 1844/45? :shock:
If it turns out that he IS Archibald's father he has to have been in the vicinity a while after 1841!

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Re: Kirk Session Records - Beith

Post by Geoff Rogers » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:09 am

LesleyB wrote:
I also believe William Harper had disappeared by 1841
But how can he have disappeared by 1841 yet apparently fathered a child who is born around 1844/45? :shock:
If it turns out that he IS Archibald's father he has to have been in the vicinity a while after 1841!
Hi Lesley

My personal view on the situation is that William Harper was not his father and that Archibald was led to believe he was by someone, possible his mother Flora.
Somebody in Beith or close by is a more likely candidate and this is why my original question was about Kirk Session records and whether any mention of Flora's predicament could be found.

Geoff
Researching Sim(e), Ruddiman, Donald, Munro, Mitchell, Harper, McDougall, Frazer, MacGregor

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Re: Kirk Session Records - Beith

Post by LesleyB » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:56 am

Hi Geoff

I understand your train of thought, but the way it is looking, if there is no sign of Archibald's birth in OPRs or on SP it suggests that the family may have belonged to another church, in which case there may be mention elsewhere, or there may not... If they were not Church of Scotland, it is likely there will be no mention in the Kirk Session records.

Although Beith appears to have CoS birth records for that period, it has been suggested that births were not always recorded*, so it is possible the birth did happen in Beith but that there is no record. It certainly would do no harm to check the Kirk Session records. But then tracking down the birth of the child Elizabeth who is in the 1841, given that we are told she was born "Ayrshire" is a bigger problem. :shock:

I feel a bit like I'm going round in circles here, and apologies if I'm going over thoughts you have considered many times before.

Best wishes
Lesley
* See: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GtgH ... q=&f=false

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Re: Kirk Session Records - Beith

Post by Currie » Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:10 am

I’m working on an excuse for not remembering the earlier post but I need more time. Ask me next week or better still don’t ask me next week.

(I remembered that it was a Flora Mitchell who lied about her age on her 1871 Census return so I guess there’s hope for me yet. It’s not the slightest bit relevant but makes interesting reading. See viewtopic.php?f=24&t=12183&p=94574&hilit=l#p94574 )

Alan

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Re: Kirk Session Records - Beith

Post by SarahND » Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:58 am

Currie wrote:I’m working on an excuse for not remembering the earlier post but I need more time.
Hi Alan,
I tried to help you out by googling "excuses for not remembering" but most of what comes up is preceded by "There are no..." Not good. However, if you remove the quotes, there are some interesting sites that might give you some ideas. Like this one, with 87 excuses for not handing in your homework. http://www.jobprofiles.org/library/stud ... ueller.htm

And maybe you've found the answer to the current problem also. There may be something in the name Flora Mitchell that invites mystery or false information on documents. Will have to think further on this.

All the best,
Sarah

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Re: Kirk Session Records - Beith

Post by Geoff Rogers » Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:55 pm

LesleyB wrote:Hi Geoff

I feel a bit like I'm going round in circles here, and apologies if I'm going over thoughts you have considered many times before.

Best wishes
Lesley
Like the film "Groundhog Day" perhaps.

Thanks for all your help

Best wishes
Geoff
Researching Sim(e), Ruddiman, Donald, Munro, Mitchell, Harper, McDougall, Frazer, MacGregor

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Re: Kirk Session Records - Beith

Post by DarkFyre » Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:04 am

Dear Geoff,
While I cannot help with your dilemma regarding Archibald's father I am very interested in exchanging data with you regarding his mother Flora Mitchell.
Years ago I gave up on this Scottish branch of my family but as recently as this week, I thought I'd look into it again and I think we may possibly be related.
My 3x great grandmother was an Elizabeth Mitchell, who married Samuel Craig in Beith in 1843. In her 1851 census return she claims to have been born in Throushill, Dumfries (transcript only, I haven't seen the original). While Throushill does not appear to exist, Thornhill sounds like a very close match. The fact your Mitchell family appears in both this town and then Beith has to be more than coincidence?! Elizabeth gives her age in the 1851 census as 31 and when she emigrated in 1852, as 29, which also makes her the right age to be the Elizabeth baptised to John Mitchell and Elizabeth Hunter Jul 1821, at Thornhill. I have yet to find her in the 1841 census, though there is a possible entry in Dalry (a town just 4-5 miles from Beith) which could be her, in a household with a Robert Mitchell aged 15 and a Janet aged 2 months.
If she had lived, I would have had a lot more information about her but sadly she died within 12 months of arriving in Australia (or so Samuel claims when he remarried here in 1855), it doesn't appear that her death was officially recorded, so she had either died or run off. The children stayed with their father, so I assume she probably died.
I am related to Elizabeth through her son Hugh Craig. Elizabeth, her husband Samuel and four children (Elizabeth, John, Hugh and Mary) all emigrated to Australia on board the 'Blanche', which arrived in Geelong, Victoria on the 23rd of Nov 1852. Again it appears uncanny that Flora also emigrated here in 1852 (I'd be very interested to know where the family ended up).
Put all together it looks like your ancestor Flora and mine (Elizabeth) are sisters.
I look forward to hearing from you :)

Regards
Megan

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Re: Kirk Session Records - Beith

Post by Geoff Rogers » Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:19 pm

Hello Megan

Once Flora Mitchell now Hadden arrived in Australia in 1852 she apparently disappeared and neither I or any of my relatives have found any trace of her. All we have to go on is her son Archibald apparently left home at an early age because he didn't get on with his step father (one story). Various branches of the family have diferent stories on why he left home. From 1852 to 1874 Archibald's life or whereabouts remains a mystery.

Regards

Geoff
Researching Sim(e), Ruddiman, Donald, Munro, Mitchell, Harper, McDougall, Frazer, MacGregor

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Re: Kirk Session Records - Beith

Post by DarkFyre » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:01 am

Dear Geoff,
I did some work on your branch as soon as I found them. Firstly, Flora wound up in Deans Marsh, the same place as Elizabeth & Samuel. Also I believe I have found what happened to her, she may have remarried here in Victoria in 1855 to one James Mitchell. Flora Smith dies in 1862, parents unknown but born scotland and was 52 years of age upon her death.
I am about to buy the marriage cert will let you know the outcome :)

Regards
Megan

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Re: Kirk Session Records - Beith

Post by DarkFyre » Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:04 am

*correction she married James SMITH not Mitchell (though she did marry as Mitchell, her maiden name).