help.... thomas french

[frenchy69]

hi everyone, this is my first post here, as you can probably tell, i am looking for more information on thomas french who married agnes dunwoody, scotland. They emigrated to canada around 1836-37. They had children by the names of:
william b. 1844 d. 1912
james b. 1824 or 26
elizabeth b. 1829 or 30
jane b. 1832/33 d. 1914
david b. 1836 d. 1915
thomas b . 1838
agnes b. 1841 d. 1920
john d. b. 1846 d. 1884
janet b. 1826
agnes dinwoodie ( various spellings ) was born on april 16 1803 and her parents were james and elspeth. does anyone have anyone any info on their marriage or as to which thomas french i am looking for. i have searched thru ' scotlandspeople ' and have not found record of marriage so therefore do not know which thomas french married agnes. i believe he was born sometime around 1804 give or take a year. please any info would be helpful, thank you..........

[paddyscar]

Hi Frenchy69, and a warm welcome to TalkingScot!

A search of the IGI (International Genealogical Index brings up three of their children http://www.familysearch.org

ELIZABETH FRENCH
Birth: 26 MAR 1830 Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland
Parents:
Father: THOMAS FRENCH Family
Mother: AGNES DINWOODY

JANET FRENCH
10 FEB 1828 Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland
Parents:
Father: THOMAS FRENCH
Mother: AGNESS DINWOODIE

JEAN FRENCH Female
Christening: 02 DEC 1832 Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland
Parents:
Father: THOMAS FRENCH Family
Mother: AGNES DINWOODIE

They are extracted records, which means they have been copied from the original church records.

These records can be viewed in full on Ancestry. If you don't have a subscription, check at your local library for free access.

Hope this helps,
Frances

[paddyscar]

Hi Frenchy69:

Thomas French search on ScotlandsPeople
Male, Date born from 1-Jan-1801 through 31-Dec-1807 yields 6 hits. One of those is born in County/City DUMFRIES.

I couldn't find a record of marriage, but the majority of records in the OPRs are from the Church of Scotland. They may have had an irregular marriage, or been married in a church whose records have been lost.

Someone else may have another idea and will join in.

Frances

[SarahND]

Hi Frances,

These records can be viewed in full on Ancestry. If you don't have a subscription, check at your local library for free access.

Didn't you mean they could be viewed on Scotland's People? As far as I know, Ancestry doesn't have those records...


Sarah

[paddyscar]

Hi Sarah:

The records from the IGI can be viewed on Ancestry, but they are transcriptions of the Church records. I didn't mean to imply that the original documents could be seen. Need to be clearer in my thoughts

Frances

[SarahND]

Hi Frances,
Sorry to be dim, but I'm still not seeing them There are some "Extracted Parish Records" from some of the counties, but not all, but these could be baptisms or lists of Burgesses and Guild Brethren, etc. and do not by any means cover what is in the IGI. I don't see anything at all for Dumfries, for example. Either I'm going blind (possible), my brain is going (more than likely) or I'm not getting my $$s worth from the World subscription.

Cheers,
Sarah

[SarahND]

I don't see anything at all for Dumfries

I take that back... (or part of it) I see that there are Extracted Parish Records for Dumfries, but instead of being in the Births, Marriages and Deaths section they are in Court, Land, Wills & Financial

But still, they only consist of:
Dumfries: Annan - Parish Censuses 1801-1821 

Dumfries: Gretna - Marriages at Gretna Hall, 1829-Apr 30 1855

So are not the IGI records.

[-o< Please tell me I'm crazy and that they do exist, since I would love to be able to search the IGI with the flexibility of an Ancestry search...

Regards,
Sarah

[frenchy69]

i would like to thank everyone for the help, i still have my fingers crossed that something will turn up......come on thomas show yourself.

[paddyscar]

My error then, Sarah. -don't want to lead the newcomers astray with incorrect information

I thought when the records were extracted that there was a list of the parish records available on Ancestry. From that, further hints on additional family members might have been found.

So, do you think there would be any use in Frenchy going to the LDS libraries to have a look at the film containing these records?

Frances

P.S. Have you managed to escape the snows that are hitting Europe? We are experiencing bare roads and 2 foot snowbanks - but as you know, that can change in the blink of any eye!

[LesleyB]

Hi Frenchy

i have searched thru ' scotlandspeople ' and have not found record of marriage so therefore do not know which thomas french married agnes.

Even if you found the marriage of Thomas to Agnes, you would most likely be none the wiser as they would have married a long time before statutory registration began in Scotland in 1855, so it is very unlikely that parent names would be given for the bride or groom. Have you found a death in Canada? Not sure if that would show parents, but even if it does it will rely on the infomant knowing the names....

I'm a bit confused by the list of children you gave - who is the eldest boy? Is the first child you mentioned, William, born 1844, or is that a typo? Or is the eldest boy James in 1824? Second daughter was Elizabeth?

The boys will not show up on IGI as the batch the children appear to be in, C118404, is one in which only females are shown.

Best wishes
Lesley