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natae
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Help needed

Post by natae » Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:35 am

I have been searching for a birth in Glasgow for a Janet Mcintosh born app 1834 father William mother Jane Thompson any help great appreciated

LesleyB
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Re: Help needed

Post by LesleyB » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:26 am

Hi Natae
Can you fill us in on some of the info you already have, plaase, and the source of you info? Have you found the family in any census? Where have you found the parent names? (marriage of Janet perhaps?) Did Janet live in Scotland all her life? When & were did she marry (if she did), and what church performed the marriage? When are where did she die? Any background info you can fill in will help us to help you,

Best wishes
Lesley

natae
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Re: Help needed

Post by natae » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:54 am

Hi Lesley I have her marriage Janet Mcintosh married William Middleton 1855 SYDNEY AUSTRALIA witnesses William Mcintosh Alexander Mcintosh Margaret Mcintosh also have death certificate 1915 Balmain Sydney Australia parents William Mcintosh occupation carpenter mother Jane Thompson birth place Glasgow Scotland the only birth I have found is a birth with mother Janet Riddell and father William Mcintosh occ tailor
Thanks
Natae

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Re: Help needed

Post by LesleyB » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:37 am

Hi natae
Janet Mcintosh married William Middleton 1855 SYDNEY AUSTRALIA
Does the marriage state which church they were married in? As the birth was before 1855 it may make a big differerence to your search if the famiy were anything other than Church of Scotland e.g. dissenters, of any sort, Roman Catholic or Episcopalian to name a few alternatives.

Do you know when (what year) she left Scotland?

As the only mention you have seen of her parents' names was at the time of her death, these names may not be accurate.

Best wishes
Lesley

natae
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Re: Help needed

Post by natae » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:35 am

Hi Lesley the marriage says The Presbyterian Church of Scotland but no idea when she came here
natae

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Re: Help needed

Post by nelmit » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:55 am

Looks as though the family left Scotland before 1843 and I'm certainly not finding any sign of them in 1841.

Here are the children shown for William and Jane(t) at Glasgow

Results for: Father: William Mcintosh, Mother: Janet Thomson

1. AGNES FRANCES MCINTOSH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1821 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
2. SARAH THOMSON MCINTOSH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1820 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
3. ALEXANDER THOMSON MCINTOSH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1826 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
4. MONA MARGARET MCINTOSH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1823 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

There is a submitted entry for a marriage of one of Janet's sisters (if this indeed the right family) at Australia -

MONA MARGARET MCINTOSH

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM MCINTOSH Family
Mother: JANET THOMSON

Marriages:
Spouse: JAMES HENDERSON Family
Marriage:
01 FEB 1843 , New South Wales, Australia

Regards,
Annette

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Re: Help needed

Post by natae » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:05 am

Thanks very much for that I can't find them on the passenger lists but will keep looking thanks again
natae

nelmit
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Re: Help needed

Post by nelmit » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:22 am

Actually a search at the Pilot site shows the marriage right enough. She's listed as Margaret Nona McIntosh. Agnes's marriage is there too to James Robb in 1839. It also shows a child Andrew Thomson McIntosh born to William and Janet in 1843.

Regards,
Annette

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Re: Help needed

Post by trish1 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:25 pm

Hi Natae

This looks to be your family arriving on the Othello 14 March 1834 - AND - my Miller immigrants are on the same page of the shipping list - I have a transcript of a diary of the voyage, kept by my ggg grandfather - which includes the trip from Glasgow down to Liverpool.

They were in Liverpool by 9 August 1833 but the sailing was delayed and they eventually left August 26th. During the voyage the mast was broken in a storm and the ship limped in to Rio where repairs took place - thus it was a very long voyage. Your Janet is listed as 1 y.o. on the shipping list - perhaps it was they left Glasgow before she was baptised - she may have been baptised on board - or it was simply forgotten in the rush to get away.

Anyhow here are the family from the list - if you would like more details send me a pm with your email address

William McIntosh 36 Scotland engineer
Janet McIntosh wife 36
Agnes mcIntosh 15
Sarah mcIntosh 14
Thomas McIntosh 9
alexander McIntosh 5
Janet McIntosh 1

Did they have more children in NSW - there are a number listed born to William and Janet in NSW - 1835 to 1942. They are baptised at St Andrews Scots Church in Sydney (no doubt by the Rev McGarvie). My Millers had more children after they reached Australia

They were unassisted immigrants - paying their own fare - travelled steerage - my ggg grandfather noted in a letter home - "if other family intend coming to Australia, I suggest you purchase a cabin". Steerage cost for my folks was 120 pounds (there were 6 children) and 4 pounds for the luggage.

Trish

EDIT: I am now slightly confused - there are a couple of trees on Ancestry giving the parents of this immigrant family as William McIntosh and Janet McMillan - so the folks I have listed may be a different family to yours. I notice Margaret Mona is not on the list. I will see if I can check further
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Re: Help needed

Post by trish1 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:28 am

nelmit wrote:Actually a search at the Pilot site shows the marriage right enough. She's listed as Margaret Nona McIntosh. Agnes's marriage is there too to James Robb in 1839. It also shows a child Andrew Thomson McIntosh born to William and Janet in 1843.

Regards,
Annette
Indexes to these records can also be found on the NSW BDM Index
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index ... =marriages

Microfilm of the pre 1856 (civil) church records are available at many libraries, family history centres, archives throughout NSW and in most capital cities in Australia. I think the LDS filmed them in the 1960s - there are often multiple versions of a register which is why the indexes show a record more than once with a different ID code. Because the original Australian parishes were very large there are probably also duplicate copies (perhaps similar to English BTs) that have been filmed.

Trish