The next line of enquiry .....

Rab · Post by **Rab** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:30 am

Hi everyone,

I'm just looking for some suggestions or even a shove in the right direction as I'm a bit lost as to where to look next. I've traced my line back to near the end of the OPR records and that's where I'm left scratching my head.

My Gx4 grandfather was born around 1800 and died sometime between 1841 to 1851. I've only been able to find to records of information relating to him but unfortunately none of these tells me who his parents could have been.

Firstly there is his marriage recroded in Dunfermline, Fife in 1822:

Hugh Marr Engineer Dunfermline and Mary Drummond residing there, gave their names for proclamation in the order to marriage. Being three times proclaimed and no objections made they were married by the Reverand James MacFarlane.

Also in 1841 there is the Census in Barony, Lanark. This would put him aged 40-45 so born between 1796-1801 in Lanarkshire. I have found a Hugh Marr born in 1798 in Lanark on the OPR indexes but I can't verify whether this is the same person.

Hugh Marr, 40y, Engineer, born in Lanarkshire
Mary Marr, 35y, born in Lanarkshire

In the 1851 Census Mary had married a James Bradbrook. I assume Hugh had died by this point and is definitely recorded as deceased on any SR records I have seen for his children. In 1851 the youngest Marr child was 8y and the oldest Bradbrook child was 3y. I'd assume Hugh died between that time.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:38 pm

Hi Rab
What about any burial info or MI?

Barony is not the smallest Parish to work with and I'm not sure what the options on places for for burial were in that area, but one of my family from Barony was buried in the Southern Necropolis in 1855. Maybe contact:

Cemeteries & Crematoria Registrar
20 Trongate
Glasgow
G1 5ES

Phone:0141 287 3961
E-mail: land@glasgow.gov.uk

...but I suspect they may requre a date and place of burial before they would be able to give any further info.

GUAS (Glasgow University Archives) hold the records for Wylie and Lochead, undertakers, who were "popular" in that area, and dealt with the burial in my family I mentioned above, so maybe try the Duty Archivist there and check out:
http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/collects/ ... wylie.html

I don't know if there are any published MIs which exist for Barony. I'm sure someone else will on the board will know though!

Later: There is a web site for the Southern Necropolis at:
http://www.southernnec.20m.com/index.html
However, my relative is not mentioned in the list even though I know she is there, so the list does not appear to be comprehensive.

Best wishes
Lesley

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:44 pm

Hello Rab,

Can't really help much except to say that Mary Drummond married James Bradbro(o)k in 1845. At least it narrows the time span of Hugh's death.
Also living in Piccadilly Street in 1841 is an Andrew Marr age 60 but I'm afraid it looks like he also died pre 1855.
I assume you have seen Mary's death entry in 1885.

Regards,
Annette M

Rab · Post by **Rab** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:37 pm

nelmit wrote:Hello Rab,

Can't really help much except to say that Mary Drummond married James Bradbro(o)k in 1845. At least it narrows the time span of Hugh's death.
Also living in Piccadilly Street in 1841 is an Andrew Marr age 60 but I'm afraid it looks like he also died pre 1855.
I assume you have seen Mary's death entry in 1885.

Regards,
Annette M

Hi Annettte,

Thanks for that. I feel a bit daft as I have never noticed their marraige date before. After you posted it I had a quick search on LDS and there it was. That really does narrow down Hugh Marr's death now to between 1841 and 1845.

I don't know anything about an Andrew Marr and don't have any in my tree to date. It could be he is related further back though. Interestingly the Hugh Marr I suspect was born in 1798 to John Marr and Margaret Ferguson, they also had a child named Andrew.

Thanks for the post and for opening my eyes.

Rab

Rab · Post by **Rab** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:45 pm

lbathgate wrote:Hi Rab
What about any burial info or MI?

Hi Leslie,

Thanks for the informative post. I should have said in my first post that I have checked a few MIs where I could find them online without any success. I'm not too sure where Hugh Marr would have been buried to be honest. That's hardly surprising since I only found out a year ago that the crematorium where my maternal grandfather was cremated is 3 miles down the road.

I'll have a look into the "popular",

, Wylie and Lochead records as that sounds well worth a look. I'll also try the registrar just in case. Always worth giving it a shot.

Thanks

Rab

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:00 pm

Hi Rab
I also found a Hugh Marr on Genes Reunited born about the right time but as the "owner" is called Robert I kinda suspect you might know about this one already? But just thought it might still be worth mentioning just in case its not you.

Marr, Hugh 1798 Glasgow United Kingdom Robert

Best wishes
Lesley

Rab · Post by **Rab** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:10 pm

Cheers Lesley,

Yes it is me I'm afraid. As you can probably tell I'm exhausting all avenues. I've got a few more options to try before I start stalking via the telephone directory.

Rab

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:22 pm

Hello Rab,

Had a look for poorhouse application for Mary and found one although I'm afraid it does not give any more info on Hugh.

Mary Drummond Marr Bradbrook date of application 10/11/77
34 Carrick St.
b. Masterton, Fife

Widow age 75
Probable cancer of stomach
Father Robert Drummond Mother Margaret ?H?aggan?

1st Husband Hugh Marr died 35 years ago.
2nd James Bradbrook died 3 months ago, son of Richard Bradbrook and Janet Shivas.

Children
Margaret 54 b. Reid Street Bridgeton married and in New Zealand
Robert 52 b. Picadilly St. married 7 ch in Liverpool
Richard 37 b. ditto married 6ch in Govan, Harmony Row
Helen 37 b. ditto married 4ch to Wm. Mcallister in New Zealand
Janet 34 b. ditto married 6 ch to George McMillan 122 New Road Parkhead.
All by 1st husband

James 29 b. 34 Carrick Street m 4 ch, glass moulder.
in lodgings with Mrs. Campbell at 22 Perth Street.

There were another few lines which were hard to read all about money and then the date of her marriage to James 15th September 1845.
She has lived in Carrick Street for 32 years.

Regards,
Annette M

Rab · Post by **Rab** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:55 pm

Hi Annette,

I cannot thank you enough for this information. This really opens up alot of new avenues for me. I didn't know who Mary Drummond's parents were as they are not listed on her death certificate (apart from her mother's christian name being Margaret). I should be able to locate more on this family now- thanks.

The confirmation is there that Hugh Marr died around 1842 good which really narrows it down further. This is also the first time I've seen Margaret mentioned. I have tracked her down but have been unable through the census or OPR birth record to link her to the family. This is spot on too.

The only strange thing is that Mary's two sons Hugh and Thomas are not mentioned. They appear on the 1841 Census so I would presume that these two sons didn't live till 1877 or they would have been mentioned.

This information is really fantastic and I really appreciate you posting it here for me. There is more information than I would have expected. I don't knoe about the poor house applications but I am now intrigued. Could you please let me know where I would look for these in future.

Thanks again

Rab

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:43 pm

Rab wrote:Hi Annette,

I cannot thank you enough for this information. This really opens up alot of new avenues for me. I didn't know who Mary Drummond's parents were as they are not listed on her death certificate (apart from her mother's christian name being Margaret). I should be able to locate more on this family now- thanks.

The confirmation is there that Hugh Marr died around 1842 good which really narrows it down further. This is also the first time I've seen Margaret mentioned. I have tracked her down but have been unable through the census or OPR birth record to link her to the family. This is spot on too.

The only strange thing is that Mary's two sons Hugh and Thomas are not mentioned. They appear on the 1841 Census so I would presume that these two sons didn't live till 1877 or they would have been mentioned.

This information is really fantastic and I really appreciate you posting it here for me. There is more information than I would have expected. I don't knoe about the poor house applications but I am now intrigued. Could you please let me know where I would look for these in future.

Thanks again

Rab

Glad you found the information useful Rab.

Poorhouse applications can be a brilliant source of information as you can see. I looked for Mary's on my recent visit to The Mitchell Library, Glasgow as I thought she looked like a likely candidate and was lucky to find one.
Their website tells you what info they hold.
http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/ ... tchell.htm

It's going to cost you a fortune mind you if you are going to look for her grandchildren

Kind regards,
Annette M