Marriage in another Parish

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trish1
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Marriage in another Parish

Post by trish1 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:37 pm

The most likely father of my man who died 1 week before civil registration, married in 1810. He married Jan 11 in the parish of Canongate. There is, however a marriage entry for his home parish of Temple which reads as follows

.. appeared before the Session the 21 Jany 1810 and produced a Certificate of their Marriage dated the 11 Jany 1810 Canongate. They were ordained to pay double dues and were dismissed.

This appears to have been a regular marriage at Canongate - although I have not got that OPR image. Was it not allowed to marry in another parish? Or would this be because they didn't call the banns in the groom's home parish?

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Re: Marriage in another Parish

Post by paddyscar » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:23 am

Only a guess here, but having married elsewhere, the double dues may indicate they had to pay where they were married and again to register the marriage with his church.

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Re: Marriage in another Parish

Post by LesleyB » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:54 pm

Hi Trish

The fact that they appeared before the session suggests to me that they were considerd to have commited a wrong-doing, having married in Canongate, but having omitted to have the banns read at Temple. My guess would be double dues was a fine which was twice the price they would have paid for the banns and was a punishment for not keeping Temple "in the know"! However, they were then dismissed, so having paid up, the problem was dealt with and there should have been no further problem.

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Re: Marriage in another Parish

Post by trish1 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:25 am

I had always thought not being married - or having an irregular marriage was the issue for the parish - but it seems, as you say Lesley - have to keep the home parish informed. I initially thought the lass may have been well pregnant & perhaps they had "snuck away" to another parish to hide the fact - but the first child was 12 months down the track. The church surely controlled their flock - no wonder they fought hard against civil registration!

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Re: Marriage in another Parish

Post by Russell » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:30 am

Hi Trish
Just remember that calling Banns was the only way of checking that the marriage was not between two people whose relationship was too close e.g. cousins, or half-brother and sister. They maybe didn't have the knowledge about genetics we have now but they understood that marriage too close to home could have horrible consequences for future off-spring. The Kirk Session were the guardians of our genetic inheritance and in a small parish would know about illegitimate children brought up by 'adoptive' parents as their own might meet up with the legitimate off-spring of a later marriage.
Sometimes a marriage entry might read "Close cousins" which flagged up the potential for problems later.
They (the Session) might come over as a bunch of nosy, prurient old men poking into every detail of your love life but the underlying purpose was actually quite healthy. In a small village everyone knew everything about everybody including who had had a roll in the hay with whom :shock: :lol:
The poorer you were the cheaper it was to post your Banns. In some places merchants and landowners were charged around £3.00 but ordinary folk could be charged a shilling =D> Still not cheap but kept you on the right side of the moral guardians. :roll:

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Re: Marriage in another Parish

Post by LesleyB » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:34 am

The local parish (and indeed the Kirk Session) woud probably also have been in a position to know if the groom was free to marry - he may have already married or have given a promise to do so....this is another of the reasons banns should have been read, to give everyone a chance to speak up if they knew of a reason the proposed marriage should not go ahead,

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