Marriage? .....

[loverlylegs]

I am trying to find the Marriage of Archibald Taylor and Janet Arthur. Archibald was born in Torphichen and Janet in Bathgate. I have looked on the IGI and SP but with no success. Janet died in 1862 in Greenock. On her death cert it says her parents were Alexander Arthur ( spirit dealer) and Janet Arthur( nee Russell), but the only Alexander Arthur who was a Spirit Dealer married Margaret( nee Russell). They were both from Bathgate. Their first born was called Janet Douglas Arthur born 1819 and this fits in with my Janet but Mothers name said Janet and not Margaret!. Archibald called their first daughter Janet, so this goes in with the Scottish Tradition of naming first girl after Mothers Mother.
They would of Married around 1837 in West Lothian as Janet and 3 others were born in Whitburn before they moved to Greenock.
Any ideas would be most welcome
Jane

[AndrewP]

On doing parent searches on the online IGI, a family of children are found to Alexander Arthur and Margaret Russell. There are no children shown to Alexander Arthur and Janet Russell.

One possibility is that Janet Russell was a mistake on the death certificate. Does her name appear on any other document relating to your ancestors?

The following group are given by a parent search based on Archibald Taylor and Janet Arthur.

• JANET TAYLOR - Christening: 04 DEC 1836 Whitburn, West Lothian
  JAMES TAYLOR - Christening: 23 SEP 1838 Whitburn, West Lothian
  ALEXANDER ARTHUR TAYLOR - Christening: 06 JUN 1840 Whitburn, West Lothian
  MARGARET TAYLOR - Christening: 31 MAR 1844 West Or Old Parish, Greenock, Renfrew
  ARCHIBALD TAYLOR - Christening: 21 OCT 1845 West Or Old Parish, Greenock, Renfrew
  THOMAS TAYLOR - Christening: 11 JUL 1847 West Or Old Parish, Greenock, Renfrew
  AGNES TAYLOR - Birth: 06 DEC 1854 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew

Have you seen the OPR entry for Janet of 1836? If so, does it say if she is illegitimate or not, to try and narrow down the marriage date for her parents.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[Jack]

Hi Jane & Andrew,
The 1851 census index shows this family - no more details as yet.
But they aren't in Greenock 1841.
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1851 cens 564-3 (442) Ed101 p12 (Greenock West)
Archibald TAYLOR 34
Janet 31
Janet 14
James 12
Alexander 10
John 9
Margaret 7
Archibald 5
Marion abt 1
Mary abt 1
--
Jack

[loverlylegs]

Hi Jack and Andrew.
I have all the info already that both you have given me. Thankyou for looking for me though. My line runs through John, Archibald's and Janet's son. Cant seem to find his Baptism though which has been very frustrating as only through the release of the 1861 Census on SP i found out he was born in Whitburn. Whether he wasnt Baptised because of the move to Greenock i dont know. He was born sometime in 1842 as he was 19 in 1861. Another thing is cant seem to find a link where the name Douglas comes into it. I found the Marriage today of Archibald and Janet Taylor's Daughter. She too was also called Janet Douglas Taylor. So I really what i want to know if the Marriage wasnt Registered as i know most couldnt afford to Register them, would it still be in Parish Records though?
Regards
Jane

[JustJean]

Hi Jane

I checked the BIVRI hoping to catch the marriage date of Archibald and Janet on there but nope. Nothing on the birth of your John either. It does however list the first three children which I know you already have from the IGI but perhaps you don't know the actual DOB's ....so here they are....

TAYLOR, Janet Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 23 Nov 1836
Christening Date: 4 Dec 1836 Recorded in: Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland
Father: Archibald TAYLOR
Mother: Janet ARTHUR
Source: FHL Film 102998 + Dates: 1820 - 1855

TAYLOR, James Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 Sep 1838
Christening Date: 23 Sep 1838 Recorded in: Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland
Father: Archibald TAYLOR
Mother: Janet ARTHUR
Source: FHL Film 102998 + Dates: 1820 - 1855

TAYLOR, Alexander Arthur Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 Apr 1840
Christening Date: 6 Jun 1840 Recorded in: Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland
Father: Archibald TAYLOR
Mother: Janet ARTHUR
Source: FHL Film 102998 + Dates: 1820 - 1855

I'm assuming you have Archibald and siblings from a parent search on James Taylor and Marion Shields all born Torpichen. From the BIVRI all children are listed as well with DOB and Christening data. If you want the DOB info I will post it....just ask!

Best wishes
Jean

[JustJean]

Hi again Jane.....

I've continued to poke around looking for a Douglas connection. In doing so I would suggest that perhaps your Janet Douglas Arthur (which I assume you picked up from the submittal record on the IGI) was actually born Jane Douglas Arthur. I can't prove it but once again the BIVRI contains all the children to Alexander Arthur and Margaret Russell with complete DOB and Christening info. This is the record for Jane Douglas Arthur. THere is no entry for a Janet Douglas Arthur in 1819.

ARTHUR, Jane Douglas Christening
Gender:
Birth Date: 29 Feb 1820
Christening Date: 12 Mar 1820 Recorded in: Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
Father: Alexander ARTHUR
Mother: Margaret RUSSELL
Source: FHL Film 1066612 Dates: 1819 - 1855

Again...if you wish the complete postings of all the children just ask.....

Best wishes
Jean

[loverlylegs]

Hi Jean Thankyou, you are a star. You are right i only had the christenings for all above so having their dates of birth is really helpful. This Janet (Jane) Arthur must be the same otherwise why name your Daughter Janet Douglas Taylor? Plus she was 41 in the 1861 Census giving her date of birth 1820. I cant also seem to find the Marriage of James And Marion Shields. So not been able to find out anything about Marion at all yet. And as to Margaret athur( nee Russell) in one Census she states she was born in Bathgate(1861) and another she was born in Airdrie(1871), so yet another dilemma to sort out!
Who'd have Ancestors eh!
Regards
Jane

[nelmit]

Hello Jane,

I'm sure you've seen this from FREECEN but here is the family of Alexander and Margaret in 1841.

Piece: SCT1841/662 Place: Bathgate-West Lothian Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Bathgate Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island:
Folio: 0 Page: 15
Address: Hill Atreet

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ARTHUR Alexander M 45 Grocer/spirit Dealer West Lothian
ARTHUR Margaret F 40 West Lothian
ARTHUR Mary F 15 Cotton Winder West Lothian
ARTHUR Agness F 15 West Lothian
ARTHUR Margaret F 12 West Lothian
ARTHUR Adam M 10 West Lothian
ARTHUR Isabella F 6 West Lothian
ARTHUR Violet F 3 West Lothian


Haven't checked out any connection but here are their neighbours.

Piece: SCT1841/662 Place: Bathgate-West Lothian Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Bathgate Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island:
Folio: 0 Page: 15
Address: Hill Street

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SHIELDS Margaret F 60 Cotton Winder West Lothian
SHIELDS Margaret F 20 Cotton Winder West Lothian
SHIELDS David M 15 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver West Lothian


Regards,
Annette M

[loverlylegs]

Hi Annette,
I do indeed have the info from 1841 Census, but didnt know about the Shields Family next door. Obviously not sure yet if there is a connection. So i thankyou for that.
Jane

[loverlylegs]

I have Margaret Arthur's death cert and states her parents being Alexander Russell (deceased) and Agnes ( what looks like GOUSTAY, deceased). Cant find anything on the IGI for this couple at all. Any ideas?
Regards
Jane