A Mitchell lookup please .....

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angel
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A Mitchell lookup please .....

Post by angel » Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:52 pm

Hello

I am looking for the deaths of Robert Swan and his wife Ann Arkle. Edinburgh produced no luck said I had to try the Mitchell as they have not got these records indexed as yet. I would greatly appreciate it if some one could find out anything for me. This is another of my ](*,)

Heather
[b]Spence[/b]~Linlithgow
[b]Downie[/b]~Glasgow
[b]Queen/Quin[/b]~Glagow Ireland
[b]Menzies[/b]~Scotland/England

DavidWW
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Post by DavidWW » Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:15 am

Heather

OPR deaths aren't indexed, - where they exist that is...........

Overall in Scotland around one third of OPRs have no death records at all, and, of those parishes which do have death records, very few have the records over the whole period of the extant OPR.

There is a Scottish NBI project but you would have to contact G&WSFHS to find out the state of play for the various Glasgow parishes.

Secondly, it's often not realised that where OPR "death" records exist many are, in fact, the record of the hiring out of the mortcloth.

In either case, don't have high hopes in terms of the genealogically useful info that such records will contain, - at best there will be a name, age, and "son of...... " or "relict of......" [relict = widow or widower]

Depending on the date concerned you might be better trying for MIs, - there are several ongoing projects in Glasgow to index the various major cemeteries, - again check with G&WSFHS, - while they aren't always the organisers of these projects, they should be able to provide contact details.

Again, depending on the exact dates, Glasgow City Council Cems and Crems may be able to help in terms of information on the sale of, and those buried in a lair.

Lastly, for much of the 1800s and well into the 1900s there was one major undertaker in Glasgow, Wylie & Lochhead, - when I went to check on contact details, I came across the following from an email from some time ago that I'd sent ............ part of which was lifted from GENUKI........

The Glasgow and Family History Room at the Mitchell Library holds the records of some twenty Glasgow cemeteries covering the period from the 18th century to the 1950's. There are a few also in the Glasgow City Archives, as well as lair plans and registers of burials in intra-mural burial grounds from 1870 to 1950. Records are arranged in chronological order and there are no indexes! A comprehensive listing, including location of registers and monumental inscriptions can be found in:- Burial Grounds of Glasgow: a brief guide for the genealogist by J Willing and J S Fairie - published by the Glasgow & West of Scotland Family History Society 2nd Revised Edition published in 1997.

Additional cemetery registers for Glasgow are kept by:- Cemeteries and Crematoria Section, Parks Department, City of Glasgow Council, 2 Port Dundas Place, GLASGOW G2 3LB (telephone 0141-333 0800)

On top of that the records of the largest funeral directors in Glasgow, Wylie & Lochhead, are held by Glasgow University Archives. See http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/about/arcform.html

This is from an email 5 years ago from Glasgow University Archives, but I'd assume that it still applies, except that the £15/hr may have increased ! <g>


David

angel
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Post by angel » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:13 pm

Hello David

Thank you for all the information you gave me and for the web site. I will have to go down the MI route and try my luck there. all your help is greatly appreciated so many thanks again.

Heather
[b]Spence[/b]~Linlithgow
[b]Downie[/b]~Glasgow
[b]Queen/Quin[/b]~Glagow Ireland
[b]Menzies[/b]~Scotland/England

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Post by LesleyB » Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:18 pm

Hi all
...Glasgow University Archives, but I'd assume that it still applies, except that the £15/hr may have increased !
Substantially.
A wee while ago I asked if GUAS had any info on a particular Wylie and Lochhead burial. Yes, they said helpfully,and here's the info & a voluntary donation form, min. donation £30, and please let us know if there are any others of the family you would like to know about. I was pleased to have received the infomation and impressed with their service.

I printed out donation form, but at the same time, having just returned from a visit to said grave and having discovered several other family members in the same plot I wrote off saying "Yes, that would be great - donation form filled in, could you possibly look up these names too?" (OK I have to come clean here...I thought I'd just delay sending the £30 donation till I heard back from them - £30 seemed a bit steep for one bit of info, but I was quite happy to pay that amount for that and the other info. I should perhaps also explain here that I don't mind paying for information and do not expect to get everything free )

Reply came back. "To look up these names will take 2hrs, so cost £60. "
Regrettably, I had to decline. Waaaaay to much. I replied politely mentioning that they were the most expensive researchers I had come across yet. (and this includes researchers in London and Canada & Scotland!) When I've paid for research before its usually been well worth it and it has been money well spent - but I really felt in this case that their hourly rate was a bit too much. Especially given that they are not having to travel to view the records (in contrast to an independant researcher in London for instance who may have to go to the National Archives) and they must be very familiar with the records, & Ok, they need to type the funeral details up as they can not be photocopied due to the size of the books. I could go to Glasgow & back three times for £60 (off-peak!)

Best wishes
Lesley
Researching:
Midlothian & Fife - Goalen, Lawrie, Ewart, Nimmo, Jamieson, Dick, Ballingall.
Dunbartonshire- Mcnicol, Davy, Guy, McCunn, McKenzie.
Ayrshire- Lyon, Parker, Mitchell, Fraser.
Easter Ross- McCulloch, Smith, Ross, Duff, Rose.

Alcluith
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Post by Alcluith » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:16 pm

Lesley,

You can make an appointment and go and do your own research for free.

It's been a few years since I was there but they do have a lot of information and it took some time to get what I was looking for, so a lot of forward planning is needed.
Burns, Quinn - Glasgow, N.Ireland
McLeod, Mackay, Nicholson, McNeil - Skye
James, McLeod, Sinclair, Smith - Renton
Davidson,Adie, Gibb - Aberdeen
Jolly Wishart - Angus
Usher - Newcastle
Mullen, Roe - Dublin
O'Donnell - Ireland, Alexandria

angel
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Post by angel » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:16 pm

Hi Lesley

I do not mind paying for research either but thats sounds just a wee bit too steep. Not everyone can afford those prices people would expect quiet a lot of details on teir ancestors for that kind of money. Don't blame you for holding I would ha too.

Heather
[b]Spence[/b]~Linlithgow
[b]Downie[/b]~Glasgow
[b]Queen/Quin[/b]~Glagow Ireland
[b]Menzies[/b]~Scotland/England

DavidWW
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Post by DavidWW » Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:10 pm

lbathgate wrote:....snipped ..........Reply came back. "To look up these names will take 2hrs, so cost £60. .....snipped
Ouch indeed :!:

That's over the top in terms of the cost, in my humble opinion ........

David

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Post by LesleyB » Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:25 pm

Hi Heather and David
I'm glad you agree - I did wonder if it was just me.
But when I thought about the other times I've paid for research , it has always seemed so far to be a resonable and fair amount for the work involved. This, however, did seem a bit out of proportion, which was a shame 'cos I'd really like the info, but it will just have to wait till I can get through to Glasgow.

Best wishes
Lesley
Researching:
Midlothian & Fife - Goalen, Lawrie, Ewart, Nimmo, Jamieson, Dick, Ballingall.
Dunbartonshire- Mcnicol, Davy, Guy, McCunn, McKenzie.
Ayrshire- Lyon, Parker, Mitchell, Fraser.
Easter Ross- McCulloch, Smith, Ross, Duff, Rose.

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Post by StewL » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:12 am

Hello Lesley

In my humble opinion I agree that it is a bit over the top.

but what is more over the top is the original request for a "Donation".
From what you said, it is not a donation in any way means or form, but a 30 quid per hour FEE!. :shock:
Therefore they should not be permitted to "advertise" it as a donation, it is no such thing.

I'm afraid I would have been saying thank you but no thank you as well.
Stewie

Searching for: Anderson, Balks, Barton, Courtney, Davidson, Downie, Dunlop, Edward, Flucker, Galloway, Graham, Guthrie, Higgins, Laurie, Mathieson, McLean, McLuckie, Miln, Nielson, Payne, Phillips, Porterfield, Stewart, Watson