Due to people being so helpful on this site, I am asking another question.
I have a William Sclater/Slater who is my gg.grandfather, I have found his birth on both the IGI and SP, but cannot find a marraige for his parents. They are Janet Gardner and John Sclater/Slater. William is down as being born 1826 on SP in Caputh, Perth.
I have tried on the OPR and cannot find a marraige for them, and the IGI hasnt got one either. Do I assume that there was no marraige, or would Janet have kept her maiden name.
I have also checked the census for 1851 but cannot find them together, but, I think I have found William as a farm worker, right age and location.
On Williams marraige cert in 1860, It says that John Slater deceased, and Janet Gardner Slater being his mother. I havent been able to find a death cert for John. Where would I look for that before 1855.
Any ideas would be great.
Thanking every one in advance
Regards
Anner.
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Hi Anner,
Many marriages were never entered in the Parochial Registers (which became the OPRs), or if they were, not all OPRs have survived intact, so it is possible for a record to have gone missing over the years. So there being no marriage to be found in the OPRs, the IGI or SP is not proof that they never married. All it does tell you is that there is no surviving record of the marriage, or something has gone badly wrong with the spelling during the indexing, and they are there, but cannot be found.
The marriage in 1860 implies the parents were married, but does not prove it. Have you found a death certificate for Janet Gardner/S(c)later? John's death may be difficult to locate if it is pre-1855. One possibility is if you are confident of where he "should" be buried is to find if the monumetnal inscriptions for that cemetery have been transcribed. If so, try and see the book with that information and see if he is there, and if others are buried in that same lair.
Some OPRs have burial information, but you won't find that indexed on the IGI, or on ScotlandsPeople for that matter. As an example, Caputh OPRs have death information of 1722-1795 and 1833-1838. As for what level of information is in these OPRs, well that I am afraid is a lottery. A few give good information, others may give the name of the deceased and show that a mortcloth was hired from the parish church.
All the best,
AndrewP
Many marriages were never entered in the Parochial Registers (which became the OPRs), or if they were, not all OPRs have survived intact, so it is possible for a record to have gone missing over the years. So there being no marriage to be found in the OPRs, the IGI or SP is not proof that they never married. All it does tell you is that there is no surviving record of the marriage, or something has gone badly wrong with the spelling during the indexing, and they are there, but cannot be found.
The marriage in 1860 implies the parents were married, but does not prove it. Have you found a death certificate for Janet Gardner/S(c)later? John's death may be difficult to locate if it is pre-1855. One possibility is if you are confident of where he "should" be buried is to find if the monumetnal inscriptions for that cemetery have been transcribed. If so, try and see the book with that information and see if he is there, and if others are buried in that same lair.
Some OPRs have burial information, but you won't find that indexed on the IGI, or on ScotlandsPeople for that matter. As an example, Caputh OPRs have death information of 1722-1795 and 1833-1838. As for what level of information is in these OPRs, well that I am afraid is a lottery. A few give good information, others may give the name of the deceased and show that a mortcloth was hired from the parish church.
All the best,
AndrewP
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Hi Anner
I'm not finding any interesting clues yet either.
If you haven't had a look at the 1841 census yet then that might be interesting. See if you can find William's parents or William on that. If you think they may have left the Caputh area then wait until the 1841 is fully indexed and available on SP and you can search the entire country for them. Hopefully by months end this could be possible... 
Best wishes
Jean
I'm not finding any interesting clues yet either.
If you haven't had a look at the 1841 census yet then that might be interesting. See if you can find William's parents or William on that. If you think they may have left the Caputh area then wait until the 1841 is fully indexed and available on SP and you can search the entire country for them. Hopefully by months end this could be possible... Best wishes
Jean
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Thankyou andrew and Jean. I have tried both variations for Janet Gardner for a death cert. I have put in searches for Gardner and found only two possibilities and have opened them both, one is definately not her but the other could be. On S(c)laters again only two could be her, as no other name is stated. If I put Gardner with it nothing comes up,will have to wait till later for partners card.
On the Gardner one it doesnt state if she is widowed, married or single and has no parents name just that she died from Typhus at the Royal Infirmary, Glasgow which may be the right area as her son and his family where there after marrying. I also cant find her in Perth.
I have tried a freecen search of 1841 cencus and the names all come up with different partners or living independently, so thats not much help.
God, my relis are giving me the run around. From both sides have hit so many brick walls its like going into a maze after them and never quite catching them up. But never say never.
I will be waiting for the 1841 census with bated breath and hope it reveals just a little more info for me.
Once again Thank you for your help.
Anner.
On the Gardner one it doesnt state if she is widowed, married or single and has no parents name just that she died from Typhus at the Royal Infirmary, Glasgow which may be the right area as her son and his family where there after marrying. I also cant find her in Perth.
I have tried a freecen search of 1841 cencus and the names all come up with different partners or living independently, so thats not much help.
God, my relis are giving me the run around. From both sides have hit so many brick walls its like going into a maze after them and never quite catching them up. But never say never.
I will be waiting for the 1841 census with bated breath and hope it reveals just a little more info for me.
Once again Thank you for your help.
Anner.
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I have just received the OPR extract in reference to Janet Gardner and John Sclater. It seems to have some quite good information.
I havent found a marriage for them but it seems that they weren't married, as Janet is not reffered to as his wife. It also states that they had William "in fornication". I can only think they had an affair as I can only find one William living with his father and he is married with an older child. All the right area and ages.
I can only wonder what these people went through, as even into the 1970's women were frowned upon for having children born out of marriage.
Again may I thank all that helped me on where to look and what to expect.
Regards
Anner.
I havent found a marriage for them but it seems that they weren't married, as Janet is not reffered to as his wife. It also states that they had William "in fornication". I can only think they had an affair as I can only find one William living with his father and he is married with an older child. All the right area and ages.
I can only wonder what these people went through, as even into the 1970's women were frowned upon for having children born out of marriage.
Again may I thank all that helped me on where to look and what to expect.
Regards
Anner.
Researching Wilson, Reid, S(c)later and Ross in Glasgow. Mcgregor, Ross, White, Pirie, Gaffney, and Math(i)e(w)son and Ross in Dundee and Perth.
Yorkshire: Butterworth, Todd, Angell, Bearpark and Nutbrown. To name but a few.
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