Catholic marriage in Glasgow - help needed please.....

[Wartavia]

Hi,

I am trying to find records of my ancestors marriage. I have been to Scotland's People and got the official OPR record.

The printout is from the parish of Glasgow (Church of Scotland?) is dated 29th October 1848 and lists the marriage banns for my ancestors

' John Mckenna (founder?) in Glasgow and Jane Lavell residing there'

There are 6 marriages on the page and 4 of them are banns only and the other 2 have details of marriages which were performed on 17th November 1848.

I know from the birth certs of 2 of their children that they were actually married in Glasgow on 17th November 1849.

Could anyone tell me what was the procedure for Catholic marriages (sorry I am new to both Catholic and Glasgow family history).

There are a number of questions I would like to ask please

1) Is this OPR from a C of S church and if so, why did they have the banns read out here when they were Catholic. Was it customary to have the banns read out in a Church of Scotland church and get married later in a Catholic church?

2)Perhaps they were married in the C of S church and the vicar forgot to write their marriage in the register next to the banns as it took place so far into the future.

3) it seems co-incidental that the date of marriage given for the other couples was November 17th too, so did they lie about/forget the date of their wedding on the birth certs and get the year wrong?

If anyone can shed any light on any of this or has any suggestions of what I can try next, I'd be very grateful
Many Thanks,
Wartavia

[AndrewP]

Hi Wartavia,

The Old Parochial Registers (OPRs) were written and held by the (Established) Church of Scotland. In theory, all births or baptisms and all callings of the banns and/or marriages in the parish should have been advised to the Church of Scotland for entry into the Parochial Registers.

In practice, not many of the events recorded in the OPRs were from churches other than the Church of Scotland.

I take it from the information you give tha the OPR says nothing about which church the banns were called in. So it may well be that they were called in the Catholic Church, but the information is not there to confirm or deny that.

The OPR (644.1/43 or IGI ref. M119675) that this event is recorded in contains marriages (or callings of banns) from 1844 to 1850 in Glasgow Parish.

All the best,

AndrewP

[momat]

This is on the http://www.familysearch.org/ site

JOHN MCKENNA

Marriages:
Spouse: JANE LAVELL Family

29 OCT 1848 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M119675 1844 - 1850 1042943, 0102928 Film 6902528 Film

Birth/Christening, Scotland, British Isles
Father: Jon Mckenna, Mother: Jane Lavel

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 3

1. JAMES MCKENNA - International Genealogical
Gender: Male Birth: 05 APR 1864 Anderston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
2. JANE MCKENNA - International Genealogical
Gender: Female Birth: 23 JUN 1857 Anderston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
3. JOHN MCKENNA - International Genealogical
Gender: Male Birth: 26 FEB 1862 Anderston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

[DavidWW]

If the marriage was indeed Roman Catholic then the archives of the Glasgow Archdiocese should have the record - Scottish RC records are going to be digitised and indexed by NAS, and I'm not sure of the current location of the Glasgow records, but an email to the archivist at the Diocesan archives should answer that, - see http://www.catholic-heritage.net/archives.htm .

However, at that era, I'd be most surpised if a couple had the banns proclaimed in the Established Church of Scotland, unless, of course, it was a mixed marriage ?! ................

David

[emamc]

Wartavia

I found two of my Catholic relatives banns on OPR, one with CP written after the name of the priest who married them. In the marriage register of the Catholic Church where they were married the priest recorded that after obtaining a certificate from the Session Clerk he married..... So I assumed that for some reason Catholic marriages had to be processed through the Church of Scotland. The Archivist of the Archdiocese should be able to help you with the Church where they may have been married. The parish of St Andrew's Cathedral in Clyde Street was established in 1792 and the Church built in 1816, so that is a likely candidate. St Patrick's Anderson the parish the children were born in was not opened until 1850. Good Luck.

[Wartavia]

Thank you to all those who replied - you have been very helpful.