Hi All,
Just a short question but lengthy lead in!
The child was adopted in 1908 shortly after the birth and not until her adopted parents death did she know this. There was a letter of transaction which states "This is to certify the ---------- has this day given her female child into your custody to be brought up and maintained by you as your own child and will make no after claim upon you whatsoever"
This letter was signed, over a One Penny stamp, by the mother and 2 witnesses.
I haven't yet managed to access the birth at N.R.H. but think that I may have found it on S.P. under her mother's maiden name. [Will go in at some point to look at it.]. The baby was later christened by her adoptive parents using their families names but with her birth name in there too.
I have read some of the adoption messages on this forum but it doesn't answer my question which is:
In later life when the adopted child needed a birth certificate, e.g. when marrying, would the birth parents name not be on it at all?
Hope this all makes sense!
Rae
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Hi Rae,
If all was done honestly at the time of birth, then the birth certificate will show the birth parents' names, or at least the birth mother's name. There should be no adoption record in NRH as that legislation was much later in being made.
If the child needed her birth certificate during the lifetime of her adoptive parents and she had gone to the regisrar's office or NRH, then I can only assume that she would be told that there was no record to be found by that name and date. Then I am sure she would have gone to the people she knew as her parents and asked some awkward questions.
If after their death she needed her birth certificate, it would be found there by her birth name (known to her by this time), with her parents', or at least mother's name(s) on it.
At that time it may not have been necessary to show a birth certificate to get married. She could have lived her whole life without ever having seen her birth certificate.
All the best,
AndrewP
If all was done honestly at the time of birth, then the birth certificate will show the birth parents' names, or at least the birth mother's name. There should be no adoption record in NRH as that legislation was much later in being made.
If the child needed her birth certificate during the lifetime of her adoptive parents and she had gone to the regisrar's office or NRH, then I can only assume that she would be told that there was no record to be found by that name and date. Then I am sure she would have gone to the people she knew as her parents and asked some awkward questions.
If after their death she needed her birth certificate, it would be found there by her birth name (known to her by this time), with her parents', or at least mother's name(s) on it.
At that time it may not have been necessary to show a birth certificate to get married. She could have lived her whole life without ever having seen her birth certificate.
All the best,
AndrewP
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LesleyB
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hi Rae
This is a difficult one, because I don't really know the answer!
Adoption did not become a legal process in Scotland until, I think it was, 1930, so any adoption which occurred before that would be a private agreement between parties. After 1930, the adopted child was issued with a new birth certificate, with the adopted parents' names on it, and that is the one which would be produced on request by authorities for a birth cert. but prior to that date, as far as I'm aware, this would not have been the case, as the adoption was not a legel process, so no new birth cert would be generated. I don't think either that birth certs needed to be produced as part of the "getting married" paperwork until relatively recently.
However, I'm sure others may have more information on this subject.
Best wishes
Lesley
This is a difficult one, because I don't really know the answer!
Adoption did not become a legal process in Scotland until, I think it was, 1930, so any adoption which occurred before that would be a private agreement between parties. After 1930, the adopted child was issued with a new birth certificate, with the adopted parents' names on it, and that is the one which would be produced on request by authorities for a birth cert. but prior to that date, as far as I'm aware, this would not have been the case, as the adoption was not a legel process, so no new birth cert would be generated. I don't think either that birth certs needed to be produced as part of the "getting married" paperwork until relatively recently.
However, I'm sure others may have more information on this subject.
Best wishes
Lesley
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Rach
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Hi Andrew and Lesley,
Thank you for your replies.
I thought myself that perhaps people didn't need to produce birth certificates then as we have to do nowadays for just about anything.
Will see what I come up with once I have been to Edinburgh.
Rae
Thank you for your replies.
I thought myself that perhaps people didn't need to produce birth certificates then as we have to do nowadays for just about anything.
Will see what I come up with once I have been to Edinburgh.
Rae
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Hi Rae,
My Dad was adopted in 1922 and he still had his original cert. When we started on the family tree that was all we had for his parents names. On the side of the original it is handwritten adopted Ross. When we applied for a new birth cert. the one we got was the same as the original, so I dont think that a new certificate under his adopted name was ever produced.
Hope you can understand that.
Regards
Anne.
My Dad was adopted in 1922 and he still had his original cert. When we started on the family tree that was all we had for his parents names. On the side of the original it is handwritten adopted Ross. When we applied for a new birth cert. the one we got was the same as the original, so I dont think that a new certificate under his adopted name was ever produced.
Hope you can understand that.
Regards
Anne.
Researching Wilson, Reid, S(c)later and Ross in Glasgow. Mcgregor, Ross, White, Pirie, Gaffney, and Math(i)e(w)son and Ross in Dundee and Perth.
Yorkshire: Butterworth, Todd, Angell, Bearpark and Nutbrown. To name but a few.
Yorkshire: Butterworth, Todd, Angell, Bearpark and Nutbrown. To name but a few.
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Thank you, Anne, I do understand what you are saying. I am hopeful that I will learn a little bit from the b.c. when I get it which may lead further back. However there may not be many clues as we know where the birth mother was living just before the birth, therefore, unless a father is named there may not be much to follow up.
I am grateful for all the replies.
Rae
I am grateful for all the replies.
Rae
Names of interest: Perthshire- Taylor, McDonald, McRaw, Gould; Caithness- Cormack, Campbell, Sutherland; Berwickshire- Darling, Johnson, Whitlie, Forrest/Forrester/Foster, Barns/Barnes,Buglass/Bookless; Wilson, Thorburn, Cowe, Laing, Rae, Colven, Collin,