trying to get a census for a certain street

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:33 pm

mallog wrote:
nelmit wrote:
Go to 1871 census at Ancestry, put Lanarkshire in the county box, Parson in the street box and Stewart in the surname box. You should get 28 people.

Regards,
Annette
I wanted to do it without the name to try to overcome Ancestry's awful transcriptions

Do you mean the surname? If so just leave it out and everybody in that street will come up.

Regards,
Annette

mallog · Post by **mallog** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:15 pm

Yes you know how families often lived near one another

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:18 pm

nelmit wrote:Right I've found them in 1871 living at 73 King Street, Calton!!!!!

Charles Stewart 38 unmarried
Elizabeth Cameson 38 lodger unmarried
James Cameson 4 son
Fanny Cameron 7 daughter

We were right about the James Cameron born at Calton in 1867. The address where he was born is 73 King Street. His granny registered the birth.

I think this is them in 1861 living at Saltmarket -

William Doughtie 57
William Doughtie 36
William Doughtie 6
Fanny Cameron 41
Elizabeth Cameron 24

Sister Fanny was registered under Stewart in 1864 and, although Charles and Elizabeth state they were married in 1861 on her birth entry, there is no sign of any such marriage.

FRANCES STEWART

Event(s):
Birth:
28 APR 1864 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Parents:
Father: CHARLES STEWART Family
Mother: ELIZABETH CAMERON

Fanny senior died in 1871 at 73 King St and Charles registered her death as her son in law.
Elizabeth Cameron died in 1872 at 73 King Street and a neighbour registered it.
Charles died in 1873 at the City Poorhouse UR 73 King Street.

I am convinced this is the right family and now you've got to go to The Mitchell Library where I'm sure you'll find info on what happend to Fanny and James after 1872.

Regards,
Annette

I couldn't stand it any longer and went to The Mitchell this afternoon.

As far as I can see there is no application for James or his sister but what I did find (although it is a bit confusing - but what isn't in this family's history) proves absolutely, 100%, without a doubt that the James born at 73 King Street is your ancestor Jan.

Application for Charles Stewart made 18th February 1873.

73 King Street

Charles Stewart born Paisley Cawsewayside (sic)
Widower age 40, occupation Bill Carrier, Prot

Children - Cecilia, 10 years, born 73 King Street.
James, 6 years, born 73 King Street

Pauper is the son of Charles Stewart and Elizabeth Renfrew both deceased.

Pauper now admits that he was never married to Agnes McPherson the mother of the above named children but merely cohabits with her. His neighbours verify he has stayed there for 10 years.

19/2/73 House van sent for 2 children
25/2/73 Died in house.
28/11/74 Child James sent to nurse
Mrs David Johnston, 61 Bardilly, Possil Park wants to take Cecilia for service. Her work will be very light chiefly taking care of 2 children age 8 and 5.
I think this was in 1880

So now you see where Agnes McPherson comes in to the equation although why Charles said she was their mother is anybody's guess.

If Elizabeth Cameron had live 15 minutes longer we may well know a lot more.

She applied in 1872 from 73 King Street but when the inspector visited her she had died 15 minutes before. Nobody in the house could tell him anything other than that she had relatives in America from whom she never heard.

Fanny Cameron, Elizabeth's mother applied in 1862 but I didn't have time to look at it. The reference is D HEW 10/3/25 page 131. If you contact The Mitchell they will quote (it isn't expensive) you a price and send you a copy.

Regards,
Annette

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:39 am

Here's Fanny (Cecilia) in 1881 -

Dwelling: 61 Bardowie St
Census Place: Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203613 GRO Ref Volume 622-1 EnumDist 14 Page 16
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
David JOHNSTON M 40 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Iron Moulder
Mary JOHNSTON M 37 F Girvan, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Wife
David JOHNSTON U 7 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Iron Moulder
William JOHNSTON 6 M Possilpark, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth JOHNSTON 8 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Fanny STEWART U 15 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Servt
Occ: Domestic

Regards,
Annette

Justjan · Post by **Justjan** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:37 pm

Annette
i am more lost now than before , i have a few of the cert for this family ,
how can i send you them , to let you see ,
and wonder why James thought he never had silbings , think i will need to read this till the cows come home ,

anyway , thanks loads , this is going to take a lot of sinking in ,and i need to pick up my grandson , in a few mins ,
but will be back

Justjan · Post by **Justjan** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:54 pm

annette
just a quickie , i have a death cert for Frances , 1887 James her brother signed it , he lived at 15 parson street then ,
seems Frances was living at the add you have given , for some reason her Mother is Lizzie McPherson, and Charles is down as a Carter ,
i have Elizabeths Mothers death cert as well , i cant find young Frances but i do have it , some of ealrier stuff is on my external , but i am certain Eliz signed as Mother -wont argue till i look , but thats later , i am now not here

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:54 pm

Justjan wrote:Annette
i am more lost now than before , i have a few of the cert for this family ,
how can i send you them , to let you see ,
and wonder why James thought he never had silbings , think i will need to read this till the cows come home ,
anyway , thanks loads , this is going to take a lot of sinking in ,and i need to pick up my grandson , in a few mins ,
but will be back

You don't need to send me the certs (I've looked at them at Park Circus) although, if you want to post them in the gallery, I'm sure other people who've been following

this may like to.

Regards,
Annette

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:59 pm

Justjan wrote:annette
just a quickie , i have a death cert for Frances , 1887 James her brother signed it , he lived at 15 parson street then ,
seems Frances was living at the add you have given , for some reason her Mother is Lizzie McPherson, and Charles is down as a Carter ,
i have Elizabeths Mothers death cert as well , i cant find young Frances but i do have it , some of ealrier stuff is on my external , but i am certain Eliz signed as Mother -wont argue till i look , but thats later , i am now not here

Ok I've changed my mind, I haven't seen Fanny's death entry and would definitely like to.

Charles Stewart's father was a Carter (sorry i missed that from the application).

Regards,
Annette

Justjan · Post by **Justjan** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:20 pm

ok Annette
i am back , i also have her birth cert , now that sort of suggests the parents were married , shes down as M/S stewart , yet Sons differs hes down as just Cameron ,
how do i send you all this ?

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:47 pm

Justjan wrote:ok Annette
i am back , i also have her birth cert , now that sort of suggests the parents were married , shes down as M/S stewart , yet Sons differs hes down as just Cameron ,
how do i send you all this ?

I've seen those 2 certs Jan. If I remember correctly Charles registered the birth of Frances and gave a marriage date but we know there was no such marriage. He wouldn't have been able to register it if he told them they were unmarried. Elizabeth's mother registered James's birth and told the truth.

I've looked at the digital image of the 1871 census and it clearly states that Charles and Elizabeth were unmarried.

Regards,
Annette