1851 census Glasgow city Lanark .....

[DavidWW]

Hi David,
I give up - please put me out of my misery!
Am i missing something with the 61 Princes Street address? Ta!

Taken from the image matching 644/01 172/01 007 Begly John.

David

[Jack]

Hi David,
Seems there are 2 John BEGLYs of a similar age in Glasgow 1851.
You're right on this Princes Street being in St Mary's - it's between King St. & Saltmarket St.
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The BEGLY family in St. Mary's.
[1851 644-1 (543) Ed 5, p 7, lines 3-8]
John 50, Susan 46, James 17, Mary 15, Francis 12, Joseph 10.
&
The BEGLY family in St. George.
[1851 644-1 (540) Ed 51, p 1, lines 1-6]
John 45, Isabella 38, James 16, Alexander 15, John 12, Archibald 8.
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Karen, you gave "...the Gros Data # is 644/01 172/01 007 Begly John..."
It would appear this is the one for St Mary's Parish....
You probably have another Gros Data # for a John BEGLY in St George's Parish,
but on your original query you gave the St Mary's number which as David says is 61 Princes St.

Glad it's now sorted out!
Jack
ps, the St. Mary's & St. George nos. i've given are from the G&WSFHS 1851 CD index.
SP (through necessity) have made up a different numbering system for their online 1851 census.

[karen kozak]

Hello

I want to thank everyone for all there hard work and help. I did e-mail SP in regards to the records and they told me there wasn't much they could do about it. they said that the census at that time were printed on bluepaper and some were very hard to read, the only thing they did was give me back my 5 credits. but they said sorry cannot help.
So so much for that.
So again thanks for helping me to find my 4th and 5th grandfather.. I've gotten a little more with the help of talkingscots... Boy I love this site..it's the best...Have a nice day karen

[nelmit]

Hello all,

I don't know why I looked at the poorhouse applications (did someone ask?) but I'm glad I did.

Application from Isabella McArthur Bagley, 15 Mc Alpine Street.
Date- 27.1.59
Country and place of birth - Kilmonivaig.
Widow, age 45. Housewife
Reason - Ill health
Dependants - None

29.10.66
Her parents, Alexander McArthur, crofter and Isabella Mcdonald both deceased. Uncle Angus McArthur, crofter, Kilmonivaig.
She states that the inspector of Kilmonivaig met her (on the canal bank, gave her one shilling & some refreshment asking her to remain and he would pay her aliment) when she was home with the body of Clement Mcdonald to ?Brackletts? 6 years ago.

Names of children not dependent:
James 20 - A soldier}
TWINS
Alexander 20 - A soldier}
John 18 - A soldier
Archd. 15 - Going messages about the quay, earns 4/-.

See Dr. Fergus May 1867 Kilmonivaig.

No. of previous applications if any - 44876
Settlement - Glasgow.
She says she has been delicate a long time and is wholly unfit for any work last 6 weeks and is now confined to bed last 2 weeks and applies very ill. Used to be supported by her family till the three oldest sons lost their employment about 1 year ago when they were forced to enlist to avoid starvation and she has since she says been selling her things and knitting a little but thinks her health is destroyed from want.

This was one that brought a real lump to my throat.
There was a reference to the fact that they should have applied to Ireland for settlement which I didn't understand but It must have been something to do with her husband being born there.
Pity there was nothing about him but at least you know a bit more about Isabella.
I also did a quick search on FREECEN and I think you will find a few ancestors there listed on the 1841 census.

The reference is D - HEW 10/3/17 page 184 if you want to order a copy.

Kind regards,
Annette M

[JustJean]

Hi folks

You'll find the family on the 1851 census in Glasgow on SP. Father was indeed born in Ireland. The census is difficult to read but it does give a place in Ireland...but I don't know what it says

Best wishes
Jean

[karen kozak]

Hello All!!!

I want to thank everyone that as post on this page, you've all been a hugh help in tracking this family. You all have given me so much informtion to trace them and try to track them down. Without this information I would still be sitting up against the brick wall, With your help you've all given the wall a big crack in it...Again a hugh thanks from Canada....You guys and gals are great...Karen
I recommend this site to all...its the best.. Karen

[Jack]

Hi folks,
Not too sure where to post this...i'm getting confused between Donna's & Karen's msgs !
So i'll just add it here - where Annette gave details of Isabella's earlier heartbreaking record.
Still no exact birthplace for hubby John, but it at least says when & where he died.
FreeBMD has possibilities in the index.
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Barony Poor Relief Application.
D-HEW 14/38. Page 28529. N°7882. 10½ am, 15 JAN 1869.
Wd. John BIGLEY - Isabella McARTHUR.
24 School Wynd, Anderston.
Born - Fort William.
Cause - ill health.
Widow, 60 yrs, occupation - domestic.
Married 32 yrs ago by Father______, Paisley.
Parents - Alexr. McARTHUR & Isabella McDONALD.
Husband's name - John BIGLEY, born Ireland.
Wholly disabled.
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Dependants -
James & Alexr. twins, 31 yrs, born Young St.
Resides at 24 School Wynd, Anderston. Alexr. in London.
John 29 yrs, born Neilston, a hammerman now in London.
Archibald 26 yrs, born Gemmills Land, Port Dundas, back of Canal Stables.
1st application. Supposed Settlement - Glasgow.
Proceedings 1869 -
Jan 16 - Notice to Glasgow.
Jan 21 - Notice to Kilmallie Boleskin & Abertarff.
Jan 21 - Sent to Po. Ho.
Feb 8 - Admitted by Kilmonivaig.
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Asst Inspector's Report 12¾ pm 16 Jan / 69
Wd. John BIGLEY - Isabella McARTHUR.
24 School Wynd.
Applicant is aged 60 yrs, born Fort William.
A domestic now wholly unfit from chronic rheumatism & debility.
Was married 32 yrs ago by Father_____, Paisley.
Marriage Lines not produced, has 4 of a family.
Pauper was chargeable to the City Parish about 3 yrs ago and had then 2/-
Husband was born in Ireland and was killed 11 yrs past at the Liverpool Boats.
Pauper is a Roman Catholic.
Parents -
Alexander McARTHUR & Isabella McDONALD. Both decd.
William BIGLEY & mother's name unknown. Both decd.
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Family -
James 31 yrs, b Young St, at present idle, resides 24 School Wynd.
Alexr, 31 yrs, b Young St, now in London.
John 29 yrs, b Neilston, a hammerman now in London.
Archd. 26 yrs, b Gemmills Land, Port Dundas, back of Canal Stables. Residence unknown.
Residences -
Present House - Barony, 9 days.
Previous - 15 McAlpine St, City, 8 mos.
Previous - 75 McAlpine St, City, 11 yrs.
Previous - 89 McAlpine St, City, 9 yrs.
I sent this person to the Hospital.
Notice sent to Glasgow 16 Jan 69.
Also Kilmallie 21 Jan 69.
Also Boleskin & Abertarff 28 Jan 69.
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David Gibb Dougall, Asst. Inspector.
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Jack

[karen kozak]

Hi

boy that is some information..I was amazed when I read it,, Thanks for your help.. Karen
PS Sorry about the confusion between me and Donna...

[Jack]

Hi Karen,
It's only curiosity with this, and i don't think there can be an answer!
You mentioned over on your other post,
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"...John Biggly died June 7 1855. wife Isabella Mcarthur. s/o James Biggly and Mary Mcginnis.
children were John, James, Alexander, Archibald and apparently another child Neil..."
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On Isabella McARTHUR's 1869 Poor Relief application she said hubby John had been killed at the Liverpool Boats (abt 1857).
So why didn't she just say he'd died in Glasgow 1855 - very puzzling!
Jack
ps, what was the address on John's 1855 DC? and was the informant Isabella herself?

[karen kozak]

I found it on www.scottap.com/family/lanark , that is the address at the bottom of the page that I printed off.. If I knew how to add I would add it, but since I'm not computer smarts so be it..haha Karen