Census help

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:01 am

Hi to all at Talking Scot,

Is it possible to find out if someone served in WW1 without knowing or having any paperwork relating to it.
My grandfather Thomas Beveridge born Bridgeton, Glasgow 06/09/1884 died 17/07/1932. He married my grandmother late in life. He was 35 (bachelor). My father was only 8 when he died so not much was known about his earlier life. I have searched on the census etc and i can't even find him on the 1889 or 1901. To confuse things he was illegitimate and his mother and father never married. She was Catherine Wright before marriage then she married John McPhee and i think she married again to Michael McGinty which why it takes so much time in research!
I just know so little about him and wondered if he had served in the war, or if anyone had any other ideas.
Thanks

Ailsa

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:46 am

Military answer given here http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 8080#85278

CENSUS QUESTION STILL UNANSWERED

Alan

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:25 am

Hi Ailsa,
A couple of questions to help people recognize your Thomas if they see him:

On his birth certificate, was his name Wright or Beveridge?
What years did Catherine marry McPhee and McGinty?
Where was Catherine born and when?
Have you found Catherine in the censuses and Thomas is not with her, or are they both missing and thus might be together?
What was her occupation?
What was Thomas' occupation?

Regards,
Sarah

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:03 am

Hi Ailsa
Have you checked CWGC and the Scottish National War Memorial sites to see if there is a mention?
www.cwgc.org
www.snwm.org

Best wishes
Lesley

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:04 am

LesleyB,

I have checked both sites and they are mainly for casualties of war - I had a reply from Alan on the Forces site and basically most records for WW1 were lost in the blitz. I think it will remain a mystery whether he joined up or was called up, he would have been age then (30) an age where it would be hard to avoid going.
I only thought as he didn't marry until he was 35 it may have been because of the war.
It may have been he just didn't want to get married! or he was abroad. I don't think Ireland as my Beveridges' tended to all come from Scotland.

Thanks for the post.

Ailsa

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:47 pm

Hi Ailsa

I have checked both sites and they are mainly for casualties of war

You are of course quite right - my apologies. I'd not noted the date of death. Clearly I was not yet properly awake!

Best wishes
Lesley

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:08 pm

Hi SarahND,

In answer to some of your questions re Thomas:

On his Birth certificate his name is Beveridge. Mother Catherine Wright.Father David Beveridge

Catherine married McGinty in 1891 in Gorbals (i only found this out through Thomas's death cert) no one in the family knew of this marriage! it only lasted 2 years as she married John McPhee in Bridgeton in 1893.

Catherine was born i think in Hutchesontown, Glasgow in 1864.

I found a John McPhee age 38 and John McPhee age 7 (1901 census) also a Catherine McPhee age 36 and Catherine McPhee age 2 (1901 also) all Hutchesontown 644/11/035/11/018 but if i search for Thomas Beveridge in 1901 age between 15 -20 years also second person forename Catherine (his mother) - nothing comes up at all.

Catherine's occupation is hard to read as the copy is bad on the marriage cert to John McPhee.

Thomas's occupation when he died was Irondresser.

It is sad that i can follow his father all the way to America and yet i don't know anything about him until he married my grandmother Annie McCarron formerly Flannigan in 1920.

It is interesting that Catherine McPhee has Beveridge/Wright on her death cert and no mention of McGinty who she officially married. (Just from the search returns on SP not the official cert).

Anyway i hope this makes some sense!

Yours,
Ailsa

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:13 pm

Just had a thought, can anyone look on England and Wales census for 1901 for Thomas Beveridge he was born 06/09/1884 - which would make him 17 or roundabout. Thanks

Ailsa

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:57 pm

Hi Ailsa,
Perhaps your GF Thomas BEVERIDGE has just been recorded as McPHEE in 1901?
It's the right occupation for later.
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1901 cens 644-11 Ed 35 p 18 (Govan - Hutchesontown)
120 South Wellington St.
John McPHEE, head, 38, Bricklayers labourer, b Haddington, Had.shire.
Catherine McPHEE, 36, Delph hawker, b Glasgow, LKS
Thomas McPHEE, son, 16, Iron dresser, b Glasgow, LKS
John McPHEE, son, 7, Scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Patrick McPHEE, son, 4, ----------b Glasgow, LKS
Catherine McPHEE, daur, 2, ----b Glasgow, LKS
Malcolm McPHEE, son, 1, ------b Glasgow, LKS
--
Jack
ps, was Alexander WRIGHT & Agnes McCALLUM the parents of Catherine?
The reason i ask is because of this 1891 census.
Is this the wrong family?
--
1891 cens 644-12 Ed 41 p 14 (Govan - Gorbals)
108 Thistle St.
Agnes WRIGHT, head, 50, ------------------b Glasgow, LKS
James WRIGHT, son, 27, Iron moulder, b Glasgow, LKS
Catherine WRIGHT, daur, 24, China dealer, b Glasgow, LKS
Malcolm WRIGHT, son, 16, App Iron dresser, b Glasgow, LKS
Elizabeth WRIGHT, daur, 11, Scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Thomas WRIGHT, gr-son, 6, -------b Glasgow, LKS
Alexander WRIGHT, 2, gr-son, 2, -----b Glasgow, LKS
James WRIGHT, gr-son, 10mos, -----b Glasgow, LKS
--

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:25 pm

Brilliant Jack

Looks like you found them! At least I hope Ailsa will agree and that it is the (W)right family for Catherine

It certainly looks convincing.

Sarah