i was reading the 1851 census on SP and I cannot for the life of me read the address, can anyone fiqure it out??? I think I found my family, Unsure of that the names are right but the ages are wrong..
the Gros Data # is 644/01 172/01 007 Begly John..Now I know they were married in Neilston Renfrew, I thought they left Scotland for England?? Unless I have the wrong family, does anyone have access to an 1841 Census?? John Begley married Isabella McArthur Dec 8 1836.
the 1851 lists the children as Alexander, James, John and Archibald. Can anyone have a look and see if they can fiqure out the address in the 1851 census. Thanks Karen Kozak
1851 census Glasgow city Lanark .....
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am looking for John Begley and Isabella Mcarthur whom married in Dec 8 1836 in Neilston Renfrew Scotland, I've received the marriage bann and both at Kirktonfield in this parish... Thanks Karen
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Re Glasgow censuses
Hi Karen,
These are from CD indexes (hence no details), and it seems the transcriber of the 1851 census
had a difficult page to read, as quite a few on it have a "?" against their name.
If you can manage to upload the page, good and well, but if not i'll check it at some point.
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1841 cens 622 Ed 228 p 15 (Barony - Milton)
John BEGLEY 26
Isabella 30
James 4
Alexander 4
John 2
James 60 [father?]
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1851 cens 644-1 (540) Ed 51, p 1, line 1. (City - St. George)
John BEGLEY? 45
Isabella 38
James 16
Alexander 15
John 12
Archibald 8
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And this might be Isabella in 1861?
1861 cens 644-8 Ed 1 p 9 (Anderston)
Isabella BEGLEY 45, b Kilmerniven INV [spelling?]
Archibald 18, b Glasgow, LKS
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Jack
ps, worryingly (for me anyway!) the 1851 SP / GROS No. is yet another that differs greatly from what's in the CD index....
Doesn't affect downloads, but it makes it nigh impossible to do a look up for anyone if you only have their number to work with.
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These are from CD indexes (hence no details), and it seems the transcriber of the 1851 census
had a difficult page to read, as quite a few on it have a "?" against their name.
If you can manage to upload the page, good and well, but if not i'll check it at some point.
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1841 cens 622 Ed 228 p 15 (Barony - Milton)
John BEGLEY 26
Isabella 30
James 4
Alexander 4
John 2
James 60 [father?]
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1851 cens 644-1 (540) Ed 51, p 1, line 1. (City - St. George)
John BEGLEY? 45
Isabella 38
James 16
Alexander 15
John 12
Archibald 8
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And this might be Isabella in 1861?
1861 cens 644-8 Ed 1 p 9 (Anderston)
Isabella BEGLEY 45, b Kilmerniven INV [spelling?]
Archibald 18, b Glasgow, LKS
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Jack
ps, worryingly (for me anyway!) the 1851 SP / GROS No. is yet another that differs greatly from what's in the CD index....
Doesn't affect downloads, but it makes it nigh impossible to do a look up for anyone if you only have their number to work with.
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1851 census glasglow city Lanark
Hi
Thanks for the information, I tried 3 times to upload the census, but it keeps telling me Error, over the quota?? have no idea how big the census is. If I can get to load I'll let u know. but it won't take.Again thanks that is a nice of you for the info, and thank you all for trying..Karen
Thanks for the information, I tried 3 times to upload the census, but it keeps telling me Error, over the quota?? have no idea how big the census is. If I can get to load I'll let u know. but it won't take.Again thanks that is a nice of you for the info, and thank you all for trying..Karen
am looking for John Begley and Isabella Mcarthur whom married in Dec 8 1836 in Neilston Renfrew Scotland, I've received the marriage bann and both at Kirktonfield in this parish... Thanks Karen
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Re: 1851 census glasglow city Lanark
Karen,karen kozak wrote:Hi
Thanks for the information, I tried 3 times to upload the census, but it keeps telling me Error, over the quota?? have no idea how big the census is. If I can get to load I'll let u know. but it won't take.Again thanks that is a nice of you for the info, and thank you all for trying..Karen
Is your file saved in tiff format?
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Re Glasgow censuses
Hi Karen,
As luck would would have it, i'd some difficulty with the two slightly more important later censuses!
Maybe the SP downloads are clearer.
Could you read John's birthplace on the 1851? and Isabella's? Their address though is 75 McAlpine Street.
And there are some discrepancies in all 3 censuses.
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1841 cens 622 Ed 228 p 15 (Barony - Camlachie)
Crawford Street.
Jno. BEGLY, 26 [sic], labourer, b Ireland
Isabella BEGLY, 30, --------b SCT
Jas. BEGLY, 4, -----------b LKS
Alex. BEGLY, 4, ----------b LKS
Jas. BEGLY, 60, --------b Ireland
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1851 cens 644-1 (540) Ed 51 p 1 (City - St. George)
75 McAlpine Street.
John BEGLY, head, marr, 45 [sic], labourer, b ?La??ly? Ireland [film too faint for me to read]
Isabella BEGLY, wife, marr, 38, ---------------b Inverary? ??? [but this isn't in Invernesshire]
James BEGLY, son, u/m 16?, unemployed? b Pollokshaws, RFW
Alexander BEGLY, son, 15, unemployed? b Pollokshaws, RFW
John BEGLY, son, 12, scholar, b Neilston, RFW
Archibald BEGLY, son, 8, scholar, b Barony, LKS
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1861 cens 644-8 Ed 1 p 9 (City - St. George)
15 McAlpine Street, Anderston.
Isabella BEGLEY, head, widow, 45, -------------b Kilmerniven? INV [i'm very unsure of this]
Archibald BEGLEY, son, u/m 18, dock labourer, b Glasgow, LKS
Sarah McTAVISH, cousin, widow, 24 [sic], domestic servant, b Kilmerniven? INV
Jessie FERGUSON, visitor, u/m 17, tailoress, b ditto.
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Jack
As luck would would have it, i'd some difficulty with the two slightly more important later censuses!
Maybe the SP downloads are clearer.
Could you read John's birthplace on the 1851? and Isabella's? Their address though is 75 McAlpine Street.
And there are some discrepancies in all 3 censuses.
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1841 cens 622 Ed 228 p 15 (Barony - Camlachie)
Crawford Street.
Jno. BEGLY, 26 [sic], labourer, b Ireland
Isabella BEGLY, 30, --------b SCT
Jas. BEGLY, 4, -----------b LKS
Alex. BEGLY, 4, ----------b LKS
Jas. BEGLY, 60, --------b Ireland
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1851 cens 644-1 (540) Ed 51 p 1 (City - St. George)
75 McAlpine Street.
John BEGLY, head, marr, 45 [sic], labourer, b ?La??ly? Ireland [film too faint for me to read]
Isabella BEGLY, wife, marr, 38, ---------------b Inverary? ??? [but this isn't in Invernesshire]
James BEGLY, son, u/m 16?, unemployed? b Pollokshaws, RFW
Alexander BEGLY, son, 15, unemployed? b Pollokshaws, RFW
John BEGLY, son, 12, scholar, b Neilston, RFW
Archibald BEGLY, son, 8, scholar, b Barony, LKS
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1861 cens 644-8 Ed 1 p 9 (City - St. George)
15 McAlpine Street, Anderston.
Isabella BEGLEY, head, widow, 45, -------------b Kilmerniven? INV [i'm very unsure of this]
Archibald BEGLEY, son, u/m 18, dock labourer, b Glasgow, LKS
Sarah McTAVISH, cousin, widow, 24 [sic], domestic servant, b Kilmerniven? INV
Jessie FERGUSON, visitor, u/m 17, tailoress, b ditto.
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Jack
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1851 census glasglow city Lanark
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Sorry about the delay, but when working nights??? you don't do much even on a computer and I thank you for finding the address and the cenuses, and no I can't fiqure out the birth locations, it's very faint the 1851 census, I have even tried enlarging it through the printer and that does not help. But I think you just gave me what I was looking for the birth location of John Begley, I knew it, that he was Irish, the family argued with me that he was Scottish!!! When you check last names the Begley name was Irish? I wish I could actually see the birth place on John and Isabella so I could go fulther it looks to start with a L but I could be wrong. And I did try to download the census a couple of times and it wouldn't let me , keep telling me that it was to large and I have no idea what that format was that I was asked about? Sorry about all this, but I kindly thank you for helping me.. Karen
Sorry about the delay, but when working nights??? you don't do much even on a computer and I thank you for finding the address and the cenuses, and no I can't fiqure out the birth locations, it's very faint the 1851 census, I have even tried enlarging it through the printer and that does not help. But I think you just gave me what I was looking for the birth location of John Begley, I knew it, that he was Irish, the family argued with me that he was Scottish!!! When you check last names the Begley name was Irish? I wish I could actually see the birth place on John and Isabella so I could go fulther it looks to start with a L but I could be wrong. And I did try to download the census a couple of times and it wouldn't let me , keep telling me that it was to large and I have no idea what that format was that I was asked about? Sorry about all this, but I kindly thank you for helping me.. Karen
am looking for John Begley and Isabella Mcarthur whom married in Dec 8 1836 in Neilston Renfrew Scotland, I've received the marriage bann and both at Kirktonfield in this parish... Thanks Karen
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Re Glasgow censuses
Hi Karen,
It might be worthwhile contacting SP to say that the page image can't be read with any certainty,
and that a vital birthplace is illegible.
Jack
It might be worthwhile contacting SP to say that the page image can't be read with any certainty,
and that a vital birthplace is illegible.
Jack
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As long as you have many years experience 
reading this type of hand, it's easy, - it's 61 Princes Street, - if you have a look at the description in one of the free header pages, it's much clearer.
Which of the Princes Streets in Glasgow, - Govan, Pollokshields, or Central (altho that was Princes Street West), - I'm not sure as my knowledge of the detailed geography of Glasgow could be better, but the parish name gives the clue - "St Mary's or Tron".
David
reading this type of hand, it's easy, - it's 61 Princes Street, - if you have a look at the description in one of the free header pages, it's much clearer.Which of the Princes Streets in Glasgow, - Govan, Pollokshields, or Central (altho that was Princes Street West), - I'm not sure as my knowledge of the detailed geography of Glasgow could be better, but the parish name gives the clue - "St Mary's or Tron".
David
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Re Glasgow censuses - 1851 birthplaces
Hi David,
I give up - please put me out of my misery!
Am i missing something with the 61 Princes Street address? Ta!
Karen, i'd a look at a different 1851 census film - it was a bit clearer.
John BEGLY's birthpace looked very much like it started with a 'Q' - it was one of these that look like a large 2.
But maybe the Irish spelling is completely something else? and was written as how it sounded?
Isabella's birthplace was legible enough, and so i've amended this part of the census to -
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1851 cens 644-1 (540) Ed 51 p 1 (City - St. George)
75 McAlpine Street.
John BEGLY, head, marr, 45 [sic], labourer, b Qu?ely, Ireland
Isabella BEGLY, wife, marr, 38, -----------b Fort William, INV
etc.
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Jack
I give up - please put me out of my misery!
Am i missing something with the 61 Princes Street address? Ta!
Karen, i'd a look at a different 1851 census film - it was a bit clearer.
John BEGLY's birthpace looked very much like it started with a 'Q' - it was one of these that look like a large 2.
But maybe the Irish spelling is completely something else? and was written as how it sounded?
Isabella's birthplace was legible enough, and so i've amended this part of the census to -
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1851 cens 644-1 (540) Ed 51 p 1 (City - St. George)
75 McAlpine Street.
John BEGLY, head, marr, 45 [sic], labourer, b Qu?ely, Ireland
Isabella BEGLY, wife, marr, 38, -----------b Fort William, INV
etc.
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Jack