Trying to find rellies

[mcblondie]

Hi all,

Need some expert help on this one. I recently downloaded a death cert for my ggg. grandmother Francis Calligan died 1900, in Hamilton her husband Michael Calligan died 1904 (pauper) in Hamilton Lanarkshire. Now my problem is i can't seem to find a marriage cert for Michael and Frances on SP so i tried to find it on Ancestry, but so far no luck! Then i tried to find a BMD for there son Michael but to no avail. I found a Michael Calligan on the 1871 census in SP address Baird's Row, which is where my grandmother's parents lived, it states that Michael was born in England? but i can't seem to find any info??? Frances Calligan's maiden name was Frances Renwick, but on her death cert it says Rennox? and on her husband Michael's death cert it says Widower of Fanny Reduck? I can't seem to find her anywhere with any of these names? Her parent's names where John Renwick and Mary Renwick m.s. Murphy.


Can anyone help?

I'm at my wits end

Thanks guys,
Katie

[Caroline]

Hi Katie,

If you go to www.familysearch.org you'll find that there's a marriage of a Fanny Renwick to a Michail Kellaghan at New Monlands in July 1850.

Looks like them!

Caroline

[LesleyB]

Hi Katie

Frances Calligan's maiden name was Frances Renwick, but on her death cert it says Rennox? and on her husband Michael's death cert it says Widower of Fanny Reduck

Not sure I'd worry too much about the variaitons on the names there - it all depends who said it and who heard it, and what they thought they heard....

If you pronounce it like "Rennick", it could easily be misheard & written down as Rennock, or Rennox or even Reduck. Try saying the name out loud, (doesn't matter if folk think you are nuts...you know why you are talking to yourself! ) and half swallow the last syllable, that is maybe how the spelling variations could occur!

Best wishes
Lesley

[DavidWW]

Hi Katie

Frances Calligan's maiden name was Frances Renwick, but on her death cert it says Rennox? and on her husband Michael's death cert it says Widower of Fanny Reduck

Not sure I'd worry too much about the variaitons on the names there - it all depends who said it and who heard it, and what they thought they heard....

If you pronounce it like "Rennick", it could easily be misheard & written down as Rennock, or Rennox or even Reduck. Try saying the name out loud, (doesn't matter if folk think you are nuts...you know why you are talking to yourself! ) and half swallow the last syllable, that is maybe how the spelling variations could occur!

Best wishes
Lesley

Even better, find someone who knows the accent involved and can reproduce the most likely pronunciation of the name involved, - I'm, says he modestly, awfy guid at Ulster accents !! (never mind Scottish ones!), and how they can be "heard" in Scotland by registrars and census enumerators.

David

[Jack]

Hi Katie,
To add to Caroline's 1850 marriage find - and it does look good!
These taken from name indexes; sorry no more details.
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1851 census 651 (644) Ed 23 p 5 (New Monkland)
William RANNIX, 22, b. Ireland
Margaret RANNIX, 28, b. Ireland
James RANNIX, 6, b. New Monkland
Francis RANNIX, 3, b. New Monkland
Catherine RANNIX, 7mos, b New Monkland
Mary KELLACHAN, 53, b. Ireland
James KELLACHAN, 24, b. East Kilbride
Betsy KELLACHAN, 18, b. Ireland
Betsy McKAY, 9, b. New Monkland
Michael KELLACHAN, 21, b. West Kilbride
Fanny KELLACHAN, 22, b. Ireland
Ann RANNIX, 18, b. Irealnd
--
Unsure how the households are divided, and there are two Penman ladies between wee Catherine R and Mary K.
Next page also has a John KELLACHAN 32, b Rutherglen & his wife Helen 35, b Dollar and 3 girls.
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Jack

[Jockbird]

Hi Katie,

Not sure if this will help you much but with another variation on names there is the record of an extracted birth on the IGI for a Barny Kellachan, here's the info:-

BARNY KELLACHAN Male
Birth: 08 MAR 1857 Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
Parents:
Father: MICHAEL KELLACHAN Family
Mother: FANNY KENNOX
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record

I got this by doing a parent search on IGI, it's the only one with the variation of Michael Kellachan & Fanny. The actual birth cert may give a wee bit more info...pity it's not an 1855!

When was Michael Jnr born?

Best wishes
Donna
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[mcblondie]

Hi Lesley and Donna,

Thanks to all for the info... I went into the family search website and had a look at the info for Michael and Fanny, it's definitely them. Strange thing is i can't seem to find them on Scotlands People website, so can't download an extract? Michael was born around 1836. I have a copy of both their death certs, but no Birth or Marriage? I'm now beginning to wonder if they are both Scottish or possibly English/Irish?

What u all think?

[AndrewP]

Hi Donna,

The 1857 birth in Bathgate is there on ScotlandsPeople, indexed as BARNEY KELLACHAN.

All the best,

AndrewP

[nelmit]

Hi Lesley and Donna,

Thanks to all for the info... I went into the family search website and had a look at the info for Michael and Fanny, it's definitely them. Strange thing is i can't seem to find them on Scotlands People website, so can't download an extract? Michael was born around 1836. I have a copy of both their death certs, but no Birth or Marriage? I'm now beginning to wonder if they are both Scottish or possibly English/Irish?

What u all think?

Jack's find in the 1851 census index tells you that Fanny was born in Ireland and Michael in West Kilbride, Scotland - but it looks as though both families origins are in Ireland.

Their marriage will be recorded in the OPR's as it was before 1855.

Regards,
Annette M

[Jockbird]

Thanks for that Andrew.

Fraid I'm out of SP credits at the mo (even had my credit card temporarily stopped due to increased internet activity!!!!....but that was Xmas shopping on-line too!!! ).

The 1850 marriage will probably show as an OPR as it is on the IGI as an extracted entry, I say probably only cos I can't check for definite for you. They aren't on SP yet, other than to see in index entry but are due on soon.

If Michael was born in 1836 and possibly in England then you are just out of luck as their registration started in 1837. I'm confused now, is there a Michael born to Michael & Fanny? If so, when was he born roughly?

I've looked on Ancestry's search for Barney Kellachan in 1861 census and cannot find him....then again goodness only knows what OCR made of the name Kellachan.....on the other hand it may just be me. On SP it indicates that there are 3 census entries for the name Kellaghan in 1861 and 41 for Kellachan.

I've also gone in on familysearch and just put in the surname Kellachan, there's a lot of them mainly in the central belt, any of them yours? If you put in Kellaghan it brings up more Irish entries but again a lot around the central belt. There are several Old Monkland ones, perhaps all part of the same extended family?

Sorry there's nothing definitive here but something may help.

Good luck
Donna
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p.s. based on Jack's 1851 census info I've just gone onto Ancestry and literally just put in Michael, place of birth West Kilbride and YOB of 1830 with a margin of error of 5 and there is an entry for a Michael Colligan born abt 1831 in Kilbride....I'm out of Ancestry access too at the mo to get more info on this one....I'm not helping much am I???? x

p.p.s popped in Fanny Colligan and there is a Fany Colligan in the 1861 census in Lanarkshire, born abt 1830...hopefully she's in the same house as Michael!