Irish Census wars...!

Andrew C. · Post by **Andrew C.** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:38 pm

Your quite right Chris the original KKK where predominantly Ulster Scots you need look no further than the burning Cross and they were predominantly anti catholic however this lot disbanded and a new KKK formed which was more racially motivated. I presume you have read James Webb's "Born Fighting" a fairly interesting book which traces the history of the Ulster Scots through the Democratic senators family history. He is not an apologist for the Ulster Scots behaviour in the South howver he does try to explain how it was more economically motivated than racial and that it was all the fault of those damn Yankees!
I have also heard of the American Revolutionary War being described as the Ulster Scots rebellion.

alex19canteen · Post by **alex19canteen** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:47 pm

I thought Americans called them Scotch-Irish?

Chris Paton · Post by **Chris Paton** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:54 pm

They do usually, yes.

Incidentally I wrote an article a few years ago about the Ulster Scots, which I deposited into the TS Library last November - see http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10524 . It concerns the various migrations of Scots to Ireland, as opposed to their movement to America, but might be of interest.

Chris

Andrew C. · Post by **Andrew C.** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:53 pm

Thanks for that Chris it certainly answered a few things that I wasn't sure about. British History is certainly very complicated.

I was looking for information yesterday on "Scotch/Irish" involvement in the American Revolutionary War and I stumbled over a Yahoo questions and answers site. Someone had asked why it was that the Ulster Scots fought against the British in the Revolution yet where so loyal to Britain back home in Ulster. (conversely in the past I had wondered myself why Scottish Highlanders had fought for the British just twenty or so years after Culloden) Obviously the topic was difficult to cover in such a forum however saying that the answers supplied were so bad, it really was shocking peoples ideas on history.

Chris Paton · Post by **Chris Paton** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:01 pm

Andrew C. wrote:Thanks for that Chris it certainly answered a few things that I wasn't sure about. British History is certainly very complicated.

Possibly the understatement of the year...! lol

Glad it was of help. Suffice to say I personally identify more with the pre-1798 Ulster Presbyterians than the post-1798 ones!

Chris

Andrew C. · Post by **Andrew C.** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:56 pm

I'm just beginning to scratch the Surfice of my Irish connections and have a mixed bag I think. Chambers, Cochrane, Irvine, McGaw (Armagh) Loughlin and Acheson (C. of I. Tyrone)

alex19canteen · Post by **alex19canteen** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:46 pm

Chris Paton wrote:They do usually, yes.

Incidentally I wrote an article a few years ago about the Ulster Scots, which I deposited into the TS Library last November - see http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10524 . It concerns the various migrations of Scots to Ireland, as opposed to their movement to America, but might be of interest.

Chris

A good read