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Jockbird
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Post by Jockbird » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:03 pm

Hi Andy,

I'm afraid this is just going to be quick as I'm meant to be doing my 'work'!

With the info that Sally found you there should be a Volume and Page number, you need to then use this information to order a copy of the actual certificate from the GRO, this cost me £7 the last time I tried, there is no view facility.

Try this link, it may well get you the page you need http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss ... &gst=&so=3

Then just view the image, I was looged onto Ancestry to get this, so you may have to be.

If you do request the cert there is no mother's name recorded, only the father and his occupation.

Depending on how much you 'need' this info, I tend to just put the Quarter they got married and district. I then record the volume/page details in case I win the lottery! You'll never complain about paying £6 to SP again....well i never have since it cost me £14 to get me not very much further forward than I am now!

Hope this helps

Best wishes
Donna :wink:
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Pandabean
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Post by Pandabean » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:09 pm

Thanks Donna,

I get it now, kind of starting to understand the system but it is giving me a sore head when looking for Andrew's Death cert [5 cups] (SP is far easier). Can't I view certificates on the site if I "pay per view" or is that for something else?
Andy
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[b]McDonald[/b]
[b]Greenlees & Fairnie[/b] (Musselburgh area)
[b]Johnston, Whitson, Whitecross, Runciman [/b] (Haddingtonshire)
[b]Rutherford [/b](Dumbartonshire, Airth & Larbert)
[b]Ross, Stevenson & Robb[/b](Falkirk)[/size]
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Post by Jockbird » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:17 pm

Hi Andy,

To my knowledge, the little of it I have, the pay per view facility on Ancestry is for the Census records and allows you to view the original. If it's not and the facility exists for the certs then I shall take myself off to a quiet corner and give myself a good kicking for wasting money!

As for Andrew's death, that could be tricky. You will need to go into the complete BMD and trawl through each quarter. I'd get a few beers and settle down for the duration [5 cups] . If you have any dates you know he was alive from then work from there, so it looks like 1922 onwards from the info you've posted.

Good job it's the Easter break , hopefully you won't need all 4 days of it to find him!

Donna :wink:
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Post by emanday » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:17 pm

Hi Andy,

I've been looking for children born to them on FindMPast (1837online as was) and there are none born to a mother with maiden name Cain.

As she died in Scotland, is there any chance she lived there, at least part of the time while he was away? There might be children's births registered in Scotland, but you'd have to contact GROS.

Just a thought.
[b]Mary[/b]
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McDonald or MacDonald (some couldn't make up their mind!), Bonner, Crichton, McKillop, Campbell, Cameron, Gitrig (+other spellings), Clark, Sloan, Stewart, McCutcheon, Ireland (the surname)
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Post by Pandabean » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:24 pm

Mary,

I have no idea why she came up to Scotland and then died. Andrew states that his address is still Manchester on her death certificate and then the same again for his father's death. The 1921 census would help lots if it was available, but I guess I have to wait anxiously for 15 odd years. :(

There is no death in Scotland for Andrew up to 1956 so I have always thought since he has been down there he may have died there.

Just trying to see if there was a second marriage for Andrew.
emanday wrote:Hi Andy,

I've been looking for children born to them on FindMPast (1837online as was) and there are none born to a mother with maiden name Cain.

As she died in Scotland, is there any chance she lived there, at least part of the time while he was away? There might be children's births registered in Scotland, but you'd have to contact GROS.

Just a thought.
Andy
[size=75]
[b]McDonald[/b]
[b]Greenlees & Fairnie[/b] (Musselburgh area)
[b]Johnston, Whitson, Whitecross, Runciman [/b] (Haddingtonshire)
[b]Rutherford [/b](Dumbartonshire, Airth & Larbert)
[b]Ross, Stevenson & Robb[/b](Falkirk)[/size]
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Post by emanday » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:52 pm

Had a look for Leena Cain births.

If she was in her mid to late 30's there are only two potential candidates, both born 1883. If she were much older or younger, then there were no others for several years either side of these two.

Lena Cain born Poplar Apr, May, Jun quarter of 1883 Vol 1c Page 675
Lena Caine born Chorlton Jul, Aug, Sept quarter of 1883 Vol 8c Page 852
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[b]Mary[/b]
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Post by garibaldired » Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:09 pm

Andy,

When did Andrew's wife die? There's a marriage for

Andrew Greenlees & Ethel Sykes Sept qtr 1925 Manchester S 8d 242

and a birth

Ronald A Greenlees mother Sykes Mar qtr 1927 Manchester S 8d 335

But if Lena hadn't died by then...........

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Meg
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Post by Pandabean » Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:59 pm

Lena died in 1921 up in Burntisland area. It may be possible that it is Andrew that you have there.

I am hoping that if I do get the marriage cert to Lena, it can tell me if Andrew was part of the Army Service Corps or not. But I do not know if English records will go into that detail and that 1919 is after the war. However some soldiers remained in service until 1921.
Andy
[size=75]
[b]McDonald[/b]
[b]Greenlees & Fairnie[/b] (Musselburgh area)
[b]Johnston, Whitson, Whitecross, Runciman [/b] (Haddingtonshire)
[b]Rutherford [/b](Dumbartonshire, Airth & Larbert)
[b]Ross, Stevenson & Robb[/b](Falkirk)[/size]
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Post by trish1 » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:39 am

Hi Andy

The english BDM records are very different to and not as useful as the Scottish ones. There are various different groups transcribing the England/Wales indexes which makes finding the records you want easier, but there is nowhere you can download the certificates. You can order them online from Gro and they can also be ordered from the various county offices, some of which are online. Information on the certificates is very limited, death ones in particular - they do NOT show parents.

When all other searches fail, trawling the images at ancestry (and I think another site has them - used to be called 1837online ) is the only way to check the full list online - and this is not guaranteed to have everyone. It is also slow if you don't know the year, but not as slow as you intially think. In days of yore I used to search the same records on microfilm at LDS centre - and that WAS slow with each quarter on multiple reels!!

This is an interesting discussion of problems with the registration system.

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mikefost/

This site may have some information that will help in your search
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
If you check the BDM transcription areas it gives dates as to what has been transcribed. These transcriptions are from the county records - not GRO so will have different reference numbers.

The marriage found by Sally is listed

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1919
GREENLEES Andrew married CAIN Lena
at Barton-on-Irwell Register Office or Registrar Attended
Register at Salford
Reference BAR/57/182

FreeBDM is progressing and births are almost up to the time of your interest (post 1919) so checking back from time to time could be useful

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

This lists what is on the certificates
http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/topics/bmd.htm
Marriage certificate will have occupation of the groom which may/maynot help your search


Hope this helps

Trish
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Pandabean
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Post by Pandabean » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:36 pm

Thanks Trish that was very helpful. I do not know if it is worth spending the money on the certificate. I may just go ahead anyways. How long does it take for them to get back to me with the certificate if I applied now?

Just makes me realise how lucky we are in Scotland for our records.
Andy
[size=75]
[b]McDonald[/b]
[b]Greenlees & Fairnie[/b] (Musselburgh area)
[b]Johnston, Whitson, Whitecross, Runciman [/b] (Haddingtonshire)
[b]Rutherford [/b](Dumbartonshire, Airth & Larbert)
[b]Ross, Stevenson & Robb[/b](Falkirk)[/size]
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