Emigrating to Wyoming

[Helen64]

Hi,
I am in need of a bit of help! george young brn: 1842 Midlothian. Emigrated to wyoming......dont know the date.

He married a midlothian lass in wyoming a emphemia chambers brn: 1845

George and Emphemia married in wyoming in 1868

Records on LDS are a good source for this family quite informative......i dont understand why george and emphemia would have been married
14 years before their first child was born????? anyone any idea of how i can sort it all out?? to recap!
How did george get to Wyoming?
Did he meet emphemia in wyoming?
Why 14 years married before they had family?
I found George on a 1870 census for wyoming he is a liquor R he is sharing a house with a few other people and his wife isnt there or children.
This record is showing that he has 60 0000 what ever that amount is?

I do hope that someone can throw some light on this as i am lost!
Thank you
Helen

[SarahND]

Hi Helen,
I'm moving this post to the Americas...

To get the ball rolling, here are 3 George Youngs born 1842 +/-2 in Midlothian in the 1851 census. This is assuming he was still in Scotland at that time.

1851
3 East Richmond St, Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Midlothian
Janet Young, 47, Head, born Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire, Washerwoman
Isabella Young, 17, Daughter, born Edinburgh, Midlothian, Bookfolder
John Young, 14, Son, born Edinburgh, Midlothian, Painter's Ap
Jessie Young, 10, Daughter, born Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scholar
George Young, 8, Son, born Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scholar

Aaak! Ancestry makes a mess of this one. Looks like everyone is possibly "Receiving Alms"?

1851
Northside Loanhead Village, Loanhead, Lasswade, Midlothian
Elisabeth Smith, 63, Head, born Plateford, Midlothian, Reeceving Abars
Mary Young, 28, Lodger, born Edinburgh, Midlothian, Receing Alins Formerly Servant
George Young, 7, Lodger, born Inveresk, Midlothian, Receing Alins
Williams Shaw, 9Mo, Lodger, born Solihul, Midlothian
Euphemia Hallden, 84, Lodger, born Newcas, Midlothian, Receeving Alins F Servant
Ann MacLeod Findly, 29, Lodger, born Daggas, Murrayshire, Receiving Alins Formerly Servant

1851
90 Main St West, Loanhead, Lasswade, Midlothian
Mary Young, 50, Head, born Lasswade, Midlothian
Isabella Young, 26, Daughter, born Lasswade, Midlothian, At Paper Mill (n K)
Margaret Young, 14, Daughter, born Lasswade, Midlothian, At Paper Mill (n K)
Alexander Young, 12, Son, born Lasswade, Midlothian, Scholar
Robert Young, 10, Son, born Lasswade, Midlothian, Scholar
George Young, 8, Son, born Lasswade, Midlothian, Scholar
George Pride, 5Mo, Grandson, born Lasswade, Midlothian

All the best,
Sarah

Wait I see that the submitted IGI record says he was born in Stobhill, Midlothian. So if they are correct, that probably narrows it down to this one born Inveresk, who was living in Stobhill in 1851. He didn't come up in my search for a birthplace of "Midlothian" since the entry simply says, "Inveresk, Edinburgh"

This must be the family (again, if the IGI submission is correct)

1851
Stobhill No 43, Stobhill, Newbattle, Midlothian
James Young, 36, Head, born Lasswade, Edinburgh, Coal Miner
Janet Young, 16, Daughter, born Newton, Edinburgh
Marion Young, 14, Daughter, born Newton, Edinburgh
Helen Young, 11, Daughter, born Inveresk, Edinburgh
George Young, 9, Son, born Inveresk, Edinburgh
Catherine Young, 7, Daughter, born Newton, Edinburgh
Magt Young, 4, Daughter, born Newton, Edinburgh

[SarahND]

Hi again,

He's still in Wyoming in 1880:

1880
Rock Springs, Sweetwater County, Wyoming
Young, Geo L, 37, Saloon Keeper, born Scotland
Euphemia, 35, Wife, Keeping House, born Scotland
Katie, 5, Daughter, At Home, born Wyoming
Jennie, 3, Daughter, At Home, born Wyoming
Lincoln, 6/12, Son, At Home, born Wyoming

And fortunately also in 1900, since that year the question was asked about the year of immigration. He also specifies that he was born in Jan 1842, so that should help find his birth (if he was telling the truth). George says he came to the U.S. in 1866 and Euphemia in 1865, so they should both be on the 1851 and 1861 censuses in Scotland.

They both say that they have been married 30 years, which fits better with the age of the children. Katie, if she was the first child, was born abt 1875. There may have been others before her who didn't survive.

All the best,
Sarah

[SarahND]

Here's Euphemia in 1870. It looks like a mix of several families...

Rock Springs, Sweetwater County, Wyoming
Chambers Francis, 47, Miner Coal, born Scotland
Jeanette, 33, Keeping House, born Scotland
Euphina, 25, At Home, born Scotland
James, 21, Miner Coal, born Scotland
William, 15, Miner Coal, born Scotland
Mary, 13, At Home, born Ohio
Jane, 12, born Scotland
Henry, 10, born Ohio
John, 8, born Scotland
Richard, 6, born Scotland
Francis, 3, born Utah

Now, unfortunately, I have to go to the train station and pick up some people, then will be busy with them the rest of the day. So I'll pass the baton to someone else. If no one grabs it, I'll give it another try tomorrow.


Sarah

[SarahND]

One more thing...

The family is in Gladsmuir, East Lothian in 1861 For some reason Ancestry has everyone down twice, but I will only give them once!

Penston, Gladsmuir, East Lothian
Francis Chambers, 38, Head, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Iron Miner
Jane Chambers, 37, Wife, born Inverick, Midlothian, Iron Miner's Wife
Euphemia Chambers, 15, Daughter, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Farm Servant
James Chambers, 11, Son, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Scholar
Francis Chambers, 9, Son, born Tranent, East Lothian, Scholar
Robert Chambers, 6, Son, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Scholar
William Chambers, 4, Son, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Iron Miner's Son
Jane Chambers, 2, Daughter, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Iron Miner's daur
John Chambers, 1, Son, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Iron Miner's Son

Now I'm really leaving...
Sarah

[Helen64]

One more thing...

The family is in Gladsmuir, East Lothian in 1861 For some reason Ancestry has everyone down twice, but I will only give them once!

Penston, Gladsmuir, East Lothian
Francis Chambers, 38, Head, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Iron Miner
Jane Chambers, 37, Wife, born Inverick, Midlothian, Iron Miner's Wife
Euphemia Chambers, 15, Daughter, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Farm Servant
James Chambers, 11, Son, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Scholar
Francis Chambers, 9, Son, born Tranent, East Lothian, Scholar
Robert Chambers, 6, Son, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Scholar
William Chambers, 4, Son, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Iron Miner's Son
Jane Chambers, 2, Daughter, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Iron Miner's daur
John Chambers, 1, Son, born Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Iron Miner's Son

Now I'm really leaving...
Sarah

Sarah you are very kind, i cant thank you enough! am i going mad or does it look like the family come and go from Wyoming to scotland and back. some children are born in scotland and some later in scotland and wise versa.......what a lot of info you have provided.
Many thanks
Helen

[winslowsmom]

Hello Helen
I think I have an answer to your question "How did they get there".
It seems that 1868 was the year that the railroad got to this part of Wyoming. Maybe they bought a ticket for as far west as they could go!

The town has a colorful history, this is a blurb from the encyclopedia Brittanica:

Rock Springs, Sweetwater county, southwestern Wyoming, U.S. The city is located on Bitter Creek, at an elevation of 6,270 feet (1,911 metres) among sagebrush plains and hills, 13 miles (21 km) east of Green River city. Named for a nearby saline spring, it began as a stage stop in 1862; after the arrival of the Union Pacific Railroad in 1868, it developed as a coal-mining and ranching centre. In 1885 violence broke out against Chinese miners, who were willing to work for low wages; their homes were burned, some 28 Chinese labourers were killed, and many more fled or were run out of town. Federal troops were called to quell the riots and protect the Chinese; the troops remained there until 1898. It was in Rock Springs that the outlaw Butch Cassidy (Robert LeRoy Parker) held a job in a butcher’s shop and derived his adopted nickname, Butch. Soda ash (from nearby trona deposits), oil, natural gas, and livestock are the economic mainstays. Western Wyoming Community College (1959) is there, as are the Rock Springs Historical Museum and the Western Wyoming Natural History Museum, the latter of which specializes in prehistory. Flaming Gorge National Recreation Area lies to the southwest, and Rock Springs is the gateway to scenic areas to the north including Jackson Lake, the Wind River Mountains, the Grand Tetons, and Yellowstone National Park. Inc. 1888. Pop. (1990) 19,050; (2000).

Maybe the Rock Springs Historical Museum would even have a photo of your George's Saloon.

Happy Hunting,
Cathy H

[SarahND]

Hi Helen,

am i going mad or does it look like the family come and go from Wyoming to scotland and back. some children are born in scotland and some later in scotland and wise versa...

As I said, I think this is a mix of several families. The 1870 census doesn't give the relationships. One possibility that suggests itself is that Francis' wife Jane died sometiime after the birth of Richard and before 1870. He then remarried Jeanette, who had 2 children of her own, born in Ohio. The youngest, wee Francis, is perhaps Francis & Jeanette's, or could be Jane's last child if she died in the U.S.

Maybe some more information will clarify this.

I'll keep looking...
All the best,
Sarah

[Helen64]

Hi Helen,

am i going mad or does it look like the family come and go from Wyoming to scotland and back. some children are born in scotland and some later in scotland and wise versa...

As I said, I think this is a mix of several families. The 1870 census doesn't give the relationships. One possibility that suggests itself is that Francis' wife Jane died sometiime after the birth of Richard and before 1870. He then remarried Jeanette, who had 2 children of her own, born in Ohio. The youngest, wee Francis, is perhaps Francis & Jeanette's, or could be Jane's last child if she died in the U.S.

Maybe some more information will clarify this.

I'll keep looking...
All the best,
Sarah

Sarah, thank you seems so inadaquate of a thing to say. You are very very helpful and have provided me with info i would probably never got myself.
I am so grateful to you
Thank you
Helen

[Helen64]

Hello Helen
I think I have an answer to your question "How did they get there".
It seems that 1868 was the year that the railroad got to this part of Wyoming. Maybe they bought a ticket for as far west as they could go!

The town has a colorful history, this is a blurb from the encyclopedia Brittanica:

Rock Springs, Sweetwater county, southwestern Wyoming, U.S. The city is located on Bitter Creek, at an elevation of 6,270 feet (1,911 metres) among sagebrush plains and hills, 13 miles (21 km) east of Green River city. Named for a nearby saline spring, it began as a stage stop in 1862; after the arrival of the Union Pacific Railroad in 1868, it developed as a coal-mining and ranching centre. In 1885 violence broke out against Chinese miners, who were willing to work for low wages; their homes were burned, some 28 Chinese labourers were killed, and many more fled or were run out of town. Federal troops were called to quell the riots and protect the Chinese; the troops remained there until 1898. It was in Rock Springs that the outlaw Butch Cassidy (Robert LeRoy Parker) held a job in a butcher’s shop and derived his adopted nickname, Butch. Soda ash (from nearby trona deposits), oil, natural gas, and livestock are the economic mainstays. Western Wyoming Community College (1959) is there, as are the Rock Springs Historical Museum and the Western Wyoming Natural History Museum, the latter of which specializes in prehistory. Flaming Gorge National Recreation Area lies to the southwest, and Rock Springs is the gateway to scenic areas to the north including Jackson Lake, the Wind River Mountains, the Grand Tetons, and Yellowstone National Park. Inc. 1888. Pop. (1990) 19,050; (2000).

Maybe the Rock Springs Historical Museum would even have a photo of your George's Saloon.

Happy Hunting,
Cathy H

Thank you cathy, im very grateful to you. I have seen this info before and i lost it so well done in giving it back to me
Thanks
Helen