1851/61 Census - Lanark .....

[Rab]

Would someone be so kind as to check a household for me in the 1851 census to clarify some doubts. I'm looking for the following person:

James Bradbrook, 28, Gilder, Born in Midlothian

His wife will hopefully be:

Mary Bradbrook (or Marr), 40-45, Lanark.

Thanks. Any help would be appreciated. If possible data for them in 1861 would be appreciated too.

[Jack]

Hi Rab,

There are these - note spelling in 1851. Sorry no more details at present.
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1851 644-1 (539) Ed 44 p 11
James BROADFOOT, 31
Mary BROADFOOT, 45
Thomas MARR, 13
Richard MARR, 11
Helen MARR, 11
Janet MARR, 8
Jessie BROADFOOT, 9
James BROADFOOT, 3
&
1861 644-5 Ed 60 p 10
James BRADBROOK, 41, b Edinburgh, MLN
Mary BRADBROOK, 44, [sic], b Masterton, FIF
James BRADBROOK, 13, b Glasgow, LKS
--
Jack

[Rab]

Thanks very much for these Jack.

Despite the surname spelling, in 1851, this is definitely the couple I was after. The youngest Marr child in particular is of special interest as this now tells me her father was still alive before 1843 at the very least.

It also sort out a puzzle too. In 1841 there was an 8 year old Janet Marr too and this age never matched up with the marriage and death certificates I have for her. The 1841 Janet must have died and the next girl born was also named Janet. It makes me also think that the name must have been very important to keep in going even after a death- not the last time this happened in my family.

You were very quick with a reply. Do you have access to an online Census resource? The reason I ask is I have a few other queries to carry out on these two censuses.

Thanks again.

[Jack]

Hi Rab,

None online that i know of at present (SP has let us down yet again...) But The Glasgow & West of Scotland FHS have a number of census indexes for sale.

http://www.gwsfhs.org.uk/

What were your other names?

Jack

[Rab]

Cheers Jack. I know what you mean about the SP censuses. I've been hanging around for a while. like most I suppose, waiting for the census data for 1841-1861 to appear online. After reading the thread yesterday about the delay I felt really deflated as I've held off buying indexes in the knowledge that the data was supposed to appear online long ago.

That said I've found SP great in all other aspects and it's a joy compared to tracing ancestors in England. When I've had any problems they have so far been vey helpfull. The census data though is a real let down.

The other people I was looking for were. I have others but these were the main ones from my own line. If you have time then any help on these would be much appreciated, if not I'll get the indexes from the site.

Thanks again.

1851 Lanark
Robert Marr (23) and Marion Marr (19).

1861 Lanark
Robert Marr (33) and Marion Marr (29).
Hugh Marr (6), John Marr (4) and Robert Marr (2).

1851 Lanark
Hugh Marr (25- Engineer)

1861 Lanark
Thomas Marr (24)

1861 Lanark
Helen Marr (21)

1861 Lanark
Janet Marr (18 )

[Jack]

Hi Rab,

Some of your MARRs are proving rather elusive... but i'm only looking at Lanarkshire.
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Hugh 25 Engineer - can't see in 1851 (this was the year?) nor 1861
Helen 21 - can't see in 1861 (even as Ellen etc)
Janet 18 - can't see in 1861 (even as Jessie, Jane, Jean, etc)
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Got possibles for Robert in 1851 & 1861, and Thomas in 1861.
Robert also has a 9yr old Mary in 1861.

Jack

[Rab]

That's interesting Jack. Robert and Marion Marr were married in 1850 and as far as I knew they had their first child in 1854/55. They then went on to have 7 more kids in quick succession. I did have an inkling that they would have had a child between 1850 and 1855 that I have no record of.

Janet appears in the 1881 census but by then she has been married twice- in 1865 to a Ronald Marr and in 1873 to a George McMillan.

Helen was unmarried when she emigrated to New Zealand in 1862. It could be that she was out of the county.

The New Zealand connection, and death, could account for some of the other missing people.

Thanks very much for spending time to have a look for me- cheers.

[Jack]

Hi Rab,
Please note the name & age order in this 1st 1851 - i did wonder about Jessie being as 9 years! It is 9 mos.
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1851 cens 644-1 (539) Ed 44 p 11 (St George)
34 Carrick St.
James BROADFOOT, head, marr, 31, gilder, b Edinburgh.
Mary BROADFOOT, wife, 45, ----------- b Dunfermline, FIF
Thos. MARR, son, 13, at home, b Leith.
Richard MARR, son, 11, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Hellen MARR, daur, 11, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Janet MARR, daur, 8, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Jas. BROADFOOT, son, 3, -------- b Glasgow, LKS
Jessie BROADFOOT, daur, 9mos, -- b Glasgow, LKS
Martha? GLEN, servant, u/m 26, general servant, b Glasgow, LKS
&
1861 cens 644-5 Ed 60 p 10 (St George)
34 Carrick St.
James BRADBROOK, head, marr, 41, gilder, b Edinburgh, MLN
Mary BRADBROOK, wife, 44 [sic], ------------ b Masterton, FIF
James BRADBROOK, son, 13, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
William WRIGHT, lodger, widower, 56, cotton powerloom tenter, b Glasgow, LKS
James B. WRIGHT, lodger, u/m 20, iron turner, b Glasgow, LKS
==
1851 cens 622 (578) Ed 6 p 22 (Anderston)
58 Clyde St.
Robert MARR, head, marr, 23, j/man brassfounder, b Glasgow, LKS
Maria MARR, wife, 18, ----------- b Glasgow, LKS [name as Maria]
&
1861 cens 644-8 Ed 17 p 3 (Anderston)
4 Warroch St.
Robert MARR, head, marr, 33, brassfounder, b Glasgow, LKS
Marion MARR, wife, 28, --------- b Glasgow, LKS
Mary MARR, daur, 9, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Hugh MARR, son, 6, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
John Russell MARR, son, 4, ------- b Glasgow, LKS
Robert MARR, son, 1, ------- b Glasgow, LKS
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The Thomas MARR (rag merchant) i looked at was the 25yr old nephew of widow Jane McGREGOR (54) - both born Glasgow.
No others to fit agewise. Your MARRs are good at disappearing!

Jack

[Rab]

Lol. Yes, I think we are very good at not being found when we don't want to be.

Thanks alot for those Jack. That is a great help. I thought Thomas might be a problem as I've searched the death records without success for him.

The other families though are a massive help. Strangely in the 1871 England census Marion is also indexed as Maria, as is her daughter of the same name. In the 1881 census though they are indexed under the correct name of Marion.

I now have another new member to add to the tree that I never knew about before which is always good. The ages of Janet Marr and James Bradbrook also give me an indication of when Janet's dad Hugh died and also when her mother remarried. All good stuff.

Thanks once again.

[Jack]

Hi Rab,

Just noticed i'd an error on my previous post - now corrected.
I'd mistakenly typed in 6yrs for wee Janet in 1851 - she should've been as 8yrs. Sorry about that!

Jack