Frederick Bartlett

[frances]

Trying to help out a second couisn in Canada who is researching Frederick Bartlett.

Frederick was born 1878 in Portsea Island, Hampshire. His parents were Frederick bartlett and Fanny ?. He had two sisters Caroline born 1875 and Emily about 1877. He married Mina Rissey in 1905.

Frederick was a Corporal in the Royal Engineers.

Family story suggests that he went to Canada with the RE, after deployment in Halifax he left with the company and was drowned at sea.

Can anyone help find out if this story is correct and where Frederick might have died ?.

Thanks

Frances

[Currie]

Hello Frances,

Where did the 1905 marriage take place and were there any children of the marriage that may help to narrow things down. Did the info about rank and regiment come from somewhere or was it passed down.

I thought that regular movement of soldiers from the UK to Canada would have ended long before 1905, except maybe in wartime, but I can’t say I know much about the subject. It seems however that the UK still uses Canada as a training venue.

If he drowned before WW1 then FMP, and presumably elsewhere, has some Army and Overseas deaths databases that may or may not be worth checking. http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/all/deaths

If he died during WW1 his name should be on the CWCG database. http://www.cwgc.org/
There are some possibilities there, and you could check those, but I don’t think any met a maritime death.

A search of the WW1 Medal Card Index at the National Archives for Frederick Bartlett and Engineers brings up this lot. All are Privates (Sapper in RE) except for a Corporal Frederick Lamble Bartlett in the Canadian Engineers but he was born 1898. Corporal rank can be a very fragile thing, particularly in wartime. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/docu ... ediaarray=*

All the best,
Alan

[frances]

Thank you for the tips Alan. I did look at the CWGC but couldn't see any likely candidates.

I will get back to L in Canada and see if she has a source for her info or whether it is just from family oral history.

Frances

[trish1]

The marriage of Frederick Snr and Fanny may be this one
Marriages Dec 1872 BARTLETT Frederick Portsea 2b 828 Gammon Fanny Portsea 2b 828
1891 census shows Frederick with a younger brother Alfred as well as the two older sisters (and Fanny is Frances L)

None of which helps finding William - do you know where the marriage took place - there is a Frederick W Bartlett (born 1879 Isle of Wight) in the Canadian WWI forces married to a Minnie

Trish

[frances]

Hi Trish,

Will need to wait and hear back from Canada to verify some information.

Thanks for help .

Frances

PS Think I will get our cousin to join TS-- be easier if she was to answer the queries herself

[Currie]

There’s some info on FamilySearch. https://www.familysearch.org/search/rec ... e%3Acanada~

1881 Canada Census she’s down as Minna Rissey, 6 months, born Nova Scotia, RC, living Halifax City.

1891 Canada Census she’s down as Willmina Rissey, age 10, born Nova Scotia, RC, living Halifax City.

Canada Marriages, 6 Dec 1905, Halifax NS
Frederick Bartlett, b.1878 Portsmouth, age 27, F. Frederick, M. Frances.
Wilhelmina Rissy, b.1885 Halifax, age 20, F. John, M. Annie

Alan

[trish1]

Don't know why I forget to check Family Search Alan ?? - still one of the best research sites - and I seem to be well on the wrong track with the Canadian Services as well.

Trish

[frances]

Thanks everyone for help with this

Frances

[Currie]

Hello Trish & Frances,

In The Victoria Daily Colonist, 17 October, 1901, page 8, bottom of column 3, there’s a Lance Corporal Frederick Bartlett, R.E., giving evidence at the Preliminary Examination of a Sapper of the Royal Engineers charged with the murder of a Gunner in the Royal Garrison Artillery at Work Point Barracks. Maybe that’s him except that he’s on the other side of the Country.
http://www.britishcolonist.ca/solrsimpl ... e&x=10&y=2

The Royal Engineers departed Halifax for good in March of 1906. Those wishing to do so could take their discharge and join the Canadian Army and 155 men did so. http://www.google.com.au/webhp?complete ... 80&bih=840

The Daily Colonist, March 5, 1906 reported:
Montreal, March 4.—The last of the Imperial troops in Halifax, one hundred men under command of Major Cartwright, will sail for Liverpool tomorrow morning on the C.P.R. steamship Lake Champlain. The men sailing are Royal Engineers, who were retained until the Canadian Government could do without them. Halifax is now garrisoned entirely by Canadians.

There were still Royal Engineers at Work Point Barracks, Victoria, on 27 April, 1906, when they held a sports day, but it was to be their last. It looks as though units of the Royal Engineers left other parts of Canada when no longer needed.

According to the London Times, the Lake Champlain arrived safely at Liverpool on 15 March.

The one in the WW1 Canadian Army was Frederick William Bartlett. His Attestation Paper has him as, 147347, born September 8, 1879, Isle of Wight, married to Minnie Elizabeth Bartlett, 651 Simcoe Street, Winnipeg, Man. He was a Janitor and a member of the 100th Winnipeg Grenadiers, Militia. He had never served in any military force. http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/data ... tcjuuil2b4

He looked pretty promising for a while given that Portsmouth and Isle of Wight are right next to each other. Maybe we should not completely write him off. Hopefully the 1911 Census, for him and/or his wife, will tell whether he was still around, and in Canada or the U.K.

All the best,
Alan

[trish1]

Hi Alan & Frances

I will ever find your research amazing Alan - my only addition would be that there is a Frederick William Bartlett born of the Isle of Wight at about the right time listed on FreeBDM - as well as the Frederick born in Portsmouth. I think they are 2 different people. I'm wondering if the Royal Engineers would have any record of Frederick in their archives?

http://www.re-museum.co.uk/research/ (It seems it is do your own research or employ a researcher)

Trish