Mclarens .....

[Bertha]

looking for McLarens in Manchester area.
Name possiblities - Robert McLaren & his wife Mary nee Boyle
originally from Scotland, had son Robert who married Margaret Ross in Leith in 1906.
Family lore has it that this couple or some of their family lived in the Manchester area.
There could also be links to the surnames Kyle or Coyle.
Have found no trace of their marriage or young Robert's birth in Scotland.
Bertha

[Rab]

Hi Bertha,

Have you got any estimated ages for these people? If so I can have a look through the censuses for you.

Rab

[Bertha]

Thought I'd give this a bump.
Still looking for Mclarens in Manchester. Turns out Robert Mclaren ran away from home to go with a Travelling Fairground & ended up in Leith.
My grt uncle asctually visited his grandmother in Manchester shortly before she died it would be just after WW2 ended.
There is also a possibility that her name was Sarah not Mary & could be Coyle/Kyle not Boyle as maiden name. The fact that my grandmother's name was Sarah Kyle Mclaren makes me think along these lines.
Rab, if your still around would like to take you up on your offer of looking up census. Robert McLaren was born 1880-85 unfortunatel, don't know his parents ages as not even sure if I have correct names. I do have a copy of his marriage cert where he names his parents as Robert Mclaren & Mary Boyle but my grt grandmother's mother's name is wrong so not sure about accuracy.
Whats' prompted this reknewed search. Well the other night the Edinburgh Evening News carried an article about a man researching WW1 Casualties for Leith , he has complied a history of all Leith's fallen & lodged a copy with the Edinburgh Library wihich will eventually be given to Leith Library when its refurbishment is complete. I e-mailed him & he very kindly sent me a copy of Robert Mclarens' Obituary from the Leith paper of that time. Nice to put a face to the man.

[SarahND]

Hello Bertha,
On Scotlands People there doesn't seem to be a marriage of a Robert M*Laren to either a Mary or Sarah Boyle/Coyle/Kyle in the right time frame. There is a marriage to a Jane Kyle in 1856 in Port Glasgow and a marriage to a Boyle (neither Sarah nor Mary) in 1904.

In terms of English censuses, in 1891 there is a Robert McLaren, 43, born Scotland, living in Salford. He says he is single, however, and is a watchmaker. What occupation was given for Robert on his son's marriage certificate?

In 1901 There are a Mary A McLaren age 33 and a Robert McLaren age 32, Publican, both born Scotland, who are visitors in a house in South Manchester with their children William, 5 and Elizabeth, 2

Any of that ring a bell? If you could tell us Robert's occupation, it might help track him down.

All the best,
Sarah

[grannysrock]

Hi Bertha,
I had a wee look at your other post on the McLarens viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1656&p=12416&hilit=+mclaren#p12416
Taking the George and Sarah McLaren you found as potential parents for a wee minute(ie that for whatever reason , the parents on the 1906 marriage are incorrect) . I am assuming that they are the family at 39 Morrison St in 1891?
According to 1891 census transcription on Ancestry , Sarah was born about 1859 in Leven, Fife, and George about 1861 on Glasgow, and their children were born in Edinburgh.


In the 1911 census for Barton upon Irwell which is in Manchester, there is a Sarah McLaren born abt 1859 in Leven, Fife . There is also a George McLaren born abt 1861 Anderston, Glasgow
and Isabella born abt 1889 Edinburgh, There is also a Euphemia McLaren born 1899 Edinburgh. Unfortunately I don't have a subscription to check whether all these McLarens are at the same address and what address that was...

There is a death of a Sarah McLaren aged 94 in 1950 in Barton, a George McLaren aged 67 died 1927 in Barton. (FreeBmd) .

If you have seen all those before no worries . Maybe there's a gravestone in Barton area which mentions Robert or perhaps you could try to trace descendants in that area?

Sally

[SarahND]

Looks like you have the goods, Sally!
I didn't think to look for previous posts

Regards,
Sarah

[Bertha]

Many thanks to both of you. Great work Sally, think I will look into the ones you mention.
I had forgotten all about the other post, it was quite sometime ago & I had all but given up on Robert.
Odd Sally that the Sarah you mention was born in Fife. My gr grandmother had a wee holiday hut in Fife, not far from Leven. Also my grandparents when they were quite elderly had a hankering to rent a flat in Leven for a few weeks one very wet summer!
I do think this is my family Sally, as I am sure he had a sister Euphemia, will check with my dad tomorrow.
I'm now thinking the reason Robert ran away with the Fair folk was a means to getting back home to Edinburgh, maybe he hadn't liked being taken away from familiar surroundings.
Does anyone know what information is available on an English death certificate?
Best Regards
Bertha

[Currie]

Hello Bertha,

Here’s the information contained in English Death Certificates. http://www.thosedixons.net/certificates/deaths.html

As you can see it isn’t much, and nothing like the Scottish ones. Just name, date, place, age, occupation, cause, and a witness name that hopefully will be useful.

According to the ‘Other members of household’ search the individuals mentioned by Sally in 1911 are in the one household. http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx?5

FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Jun 1921
McLaren Euphemia, Lavelle, Barton I. 8c1262
Lavelle Joseph, McLaren, Barton I 8c1262

You’ll also find six Lavelle births 1921 to 1932. There appears to be someone on GenesReunited named Susan looking for the McLarens and the Lavelles.

Alan

[cathken]

I'm new to this site but I think I have connections to these McLarens. My Grandfather, Charles, was the younger brother of George McLaren married to Sarah Coyle. George's parents were John McLaren and Jessie Kerr/Carr. They were married in Deptford, London and had children born in Dysart, Glasgow and Edinburgh. I was recently in touch with one of George's descendants who still lives in the Manchester area.

Since it is some time since you posted on this topic you may already know all this but I'm happy to share any information I have.


Cathy

[Bertha]

Hi Cathy
Thanks for the reply, have PMd you.
Had a look for my gr grandfather Robert & his family in the 1911 Scottish census but not found them
Know my gran Sarah (Sally) & her sister Georgina were alive at that time.
Have posted on the Census forum in the hope someone can come up with a clue where to look for them.
Looking forward to hearing from you
Best Regards
Bertha