Can't find birth entry, Duncan Haggart, Any ideas?.....

rossh · Post by **rossh** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:41 pm

Hi, i'm just starting out search my family tree and i'm trying to find my great... granfathers birth entry on scotlandspeople.gov.uk I've mangaged to find his death entry but no joy on the birth entry. I've been looking in the parish records, but can't find anything. I know this:-

-Parents: Archibald Haggart and Catherine Campbell
-Born:1847
-Died:19 Feb 1901, Parish of Logie, District of Stirling, Bridge of Allan
-Spouse: Ann Burns
-Sons: So far i know James and William Haggart

Using variations of this information nothing comes up for anything other than the death entry? Why would the parish records not show marriage or birth details? Is their somewhere else i can look and can i go to Stirling to browse records?

Thanks

Ross

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:49 pm

rossh wrote:Hi, i'm just starting out search my family tree and i'm trying to find my great... granfathers birth entry on scotlandspeople.gov.uk I've mangaged to find his death entry but no joy on the birth entry. I've been looking in the parish records, but can't find anything. I know this:-

-Parents: Archibald Haggart and Catherine Campbell
-Born:1847
-Died:19 Feb 1901, Parish of Logie, District of Stirling, Bridge of Allan
-Spouse: Ann Burns
-Sons: So far i know James and William Haggart

Using variations of this information nothing comes up for anything other than the death entry? Why would the parish records not show marriage or birth details? Is their somewhere else i can look and can i go to Stirling to browse records?

Thanks

Ross

Ross

Statutory civil registration didn't start until 1855. Before that you're into the parish registers. In the 1800s up to 1854 it's known that many births/baptisms weren't registered in the records of the Established Church of Scotland, particularly in the period 1843 to 1854 following the breakway and creation of the Free Kirk.

In your case worth checking on the NAS catalogues, - http://www.nas.gov.uk/catalogues/default.asp, - if there are any extant Free Kirk of other secession church records for Stirling around 1847.

The New Statisitical Account 1834/1845 at http://edina.ac.uk/statacc/ should give some indication of secession churches other than the Free Kirk.

David

rossh · Post by **rossh** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:58 pm

Hi David,

Thanks for getting back to me, great information! really useful, i'll get looking at these sites this afternoon.

I really hope i can find something!

Thanks again

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:59 pm

rossh wrote:Hi, i'm just starting out search my family tree and i'm trying to find my great... granfathers birth entry on scotlandspeople.gov.uk I've mangaged to find his death entry but no joy on the birth entry. I've been looking in the parish records, but can't find anything. I know this:-

-Parents: Archibald Haggart and Catherine Campbell
-Born:1847
-Died:19 Feb 1901, Parish of Logie, District of Stirling, Bridge of Allan
-Spouse: Ann Burns
-Sons: So far i know James and William Haggart

Using variations of this information nothing comes up for anything other than the death entry? Why would the parish records not show marriage or birth details? Is their somewhere else i can look and can i go to Stirling to browse records?

Thanks

Ross

Hello Ross,

Here are Duncan and Ann with more than William and James in 1881.
Dwelling: Airthrey Mills
Census Place: Logie, Perth, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203508 GRO Ref Volume 374 EnumDist 1 Page 14
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Duncan HAGGART M 37 M Kenmore, Perth, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Paper Mill Worker
Ann HAGGART M 35 F Dunblane, Perth, Scotland
Rel: Wife
James HAGGART 15 M B Of Allan, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Paper Mill Worker
Maggie HAGGART 14 F Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Catherine HAGGART 12 F B Of Allan, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
William HAGGART 11 M B Of Allan, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Peter HAGGART 10 M B Of Allan, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Duncan HAGGART 7 M B Of Allan, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Isabella HAGGART 4 F B Of Allan, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Eliza HAGGART 2 F B Of Allan, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Daur

Annette M

rossh · Post by **rossh** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:05 pm

Hi Annette,

Thanks that's amazing where did you get this info? I need to go out now but i'll tak a look closer tonight! Thanks very much

R

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:14 pm

rossh wrote:Hi Annette,

Thanks that's amazing where did you get this info? I need to go out now but i'll tak a look closer tonight! Thanks very much

R

Hi Ross,

I got this from the 1881 census discs which can be bought for around £30.
Well worth it if you have a few British ancestors.

I found the children on the IGI by doing a parent search.

I'm going out myself now but in case you are unfamiliar with the IGI I'll be back later to explain or hopefully someone else will do it in my absence.

Annette M

rossh · Post by **rossh** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:09 pm

Hi Annette,

The disc sounds good where can you buy it? IGI, is this familysearch.org? I've had a look and did a parent search myself on familysearch think it was slightly different but got the details you gave me from scotlandspeople.gov.uk

going to keep looking for any details of marriage and birth entries for duncan haggart. Parents are Archibald Haggart and Catherine Campbell so hopefully i'll get something on them as well. Thanks again really helpful.

Ross

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:11 am

Ross

The 1881 Census CD set is £29.95 in the UK.

The source in the UK is :

LDS Distribution Centre
399 Garretts Green Lane
Birmingham B33 0UH

Fax Orders 08700 102052
Debit / Credit Card Orders 08700 102051

Outside of the U.K. visit http://www.lds.org.uk/genealogy/ordering.html and follow the link to Worldwide Distribution Centres

Note that, for the moment at least, the 1881 census for Scotland is not available on www.familysearch.org .

David

rossh · Post by **rossh** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:20 pm

Hi David,

Thanks for that. I had a look on the archive site it's pretty difficult to get anything out of it. From the census details it looks as though Duncan Haggart was born in Kenmore. It looks as though this was a key area for the Haggart's so i'm looking for Duncan parents, Archibald Haggart and Catherine Campbell in this area. Do you have any suggestions? I've looked through census details and their are Archibald Haggarts, but i'm having problems finding the right one!

If i am going to look for any extant Free Kirk of other secession church records for Stirling around 1847. or in Kenmore how do i go about it?

Thanks again for all your help

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:24 pm

rossh wrote:Hi David,

Thanks for that. I had a look on the archive site it's pretty difficult to get anything out of it. From the census details it looks as though Duncan Haggart was born in Kenmore. It looks as though this was a key area for the Haggart's so i'm looking for Duncan parents, Archibald Haggart and Catherine Campbell in this area. Do you have any suggestions? I've looked through census details and their are Archibald Haggarts, but i'm having problems finding the right one!

If i am going to look for any extant Free Kirk of other secession church records for Stirling around 1847. or in Kenmore how do i go about it?

Thanks again for all your help

Hello Ross,

David will be able to answer your question better than I.

There is no marriage between an Archibald Haggart and Catherine Campbell on the IGI.
Where did you find this information?

Regards,
Annette M

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