During the days of the SP Discussion Group, nobody ever posted in the Middle East forum. I was sorely tempted, but, to my eternal regret, never did, and now, never can.
Not wasting the chance this time!
Had ancestors who moved down from Riccarton in Ayrshire to somewhere in Lancashire, where several Sloans (incl my ggrandmother Sarah) were born. By 1881, they were back in Riccarton.
What they were doing, and why - I have no idea. But I would love to know.
Any suggestions?
Dave
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AnneM
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Hi Dave
I am really glad someone has posted in the England section. I was sare tempted to do so myself but could not think of anything to post about.
Sounds like a question in a quiz: What is the connection between Ayrshire and Lancashire?? My guess would be textiles and weavers. Lot of it about in both.
I'd be surprised if there was not a kind person or 2 out there who might look for a definitive answer for you given names etc.
Anne
I am really glad someone has posted in the England section. I was sare tempted to do so myself but could not think of anything to post about.
Sounds like a question in a quiz: What is the connection between Ayrshire and Lancashire?? My guess would be textiles and weavers. Lot of it about in both.
I'd be surprised if there was not a kind person or 2 out there who might look for a definitive answer for you given names etc.
Anne
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Re: Sloans of Lancashire
Hello Dave,
as Anne suggests, post some details. If the family was there in 1871, they will be on the census, and there is probably a kind soul who will look them up for you. If not, a birth certificate will give details of parents and father's occupation.
Mining is also a common link between the two counties.
Regards,
John
as Anne suggests, post some details. If the family was there in 1871, they will be on the census, and there is probably a kind soul who will look them up for you. If not, a birth certificate will give details of parents and father's occupation.
Mining is also a common link between the two counties.
Regards,
John
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mesklin
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Sarah from Lancashire
Hello All
Here is the 1881 Census for Sarah Sloan in Riccarton
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-79
From other sources, I do know it was Lancashire that the England members were born.
Sarah Sloan - Born:1865 Lancashire - Died 30Jul1921 Denbeath, Fife
Mother - Mary McCulloch - Born 1843 Girvan
Father - No evidence as yet, but...
Husband of Mary McCulloch - William Sloan Born:1831 - Died 1891, Kilmarnock and at 1891, was at 33 Soulis St in Kilmarnock. Family do not seem to be together when returned from England.
Andrew (1867) and Peter (1863) also born in England. Janet (1873) born in Riccarton.
So question is -
Where were the 3 English Sloans born?
Dave
Here is the 1881 Census for Sarah Sloan in Riccarton
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-79
From other sources, I do know it was Lancashire that the England members were born.
Sarah Sloan - Born:1865 Lancashire - Died 30Jul1921 Denbeath, Fife
Mother - Mary McCulloch - Born 1843 Girvan
Father - No evidence as yet, but...
Husband of Mary McCulloch - William Sloan Born:1831 - Died 1891, Kilmarnock and at 1891, was at 33 Soulis St in Kilmarnock. Family do not seem to be together when returned from England.
Andrew (1867) and Peter (1863) also born in England. Janet (1873) born in Riccarton.
So question is -
Where were the 3 English Sloans born?
Dave
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Hi Dave
I'm sure you've already exhausted the FreeBMD site's resources which appear below for all Sloans born Lancashire 1863-1867
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Mar 1863
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SLOAN Robert Alsop Manchester 8d 191
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Births Jun 1864
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SLOAN Jane Liverpool 8b 254
SLOAN Robert Liverpool 8b 166
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Births Dec 1865
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Sloan Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 118
Sloan Sarah Ann Manchester 8d 111
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Births Mar 1867
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SLOAN Peter W. Derby 8b 506
SLOAN William Liverpool 8b 167
SLOAN Wilson W. Derby 8b 367
The only possiblity would be Sarah Ann in Manchester but it doesn't look promising does it?
As they are continuallyadding records to this index then it's still possible more Sloans will appear. Basically it's a waiting game!! In my own English research I have had good success with narrowing down options and putting families together using this site. I had to wait for over a year for my own GGGrandfather's death to appear but when it did I was able to order the certificate with confidence I had the right guy.
Good luck!!
Jean
I'm sure you've already exhausted the FreeBMD site's resources which appear below for all Sloans born Lancashire 1863-1867
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Mar 1863
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SLOAN Robert Alsop Manchester 8d 191
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Births Jun 1864
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SLOAN Jane Liverpool 8b 254
SLOAN Robert Liverpool 8b 166
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Births Dec 1865
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Sloan Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 118
Sloan Sarah Ann Manchester 8d 111
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Births Mar 1867
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SLOAN Peter W. Derby 8b 506
SLOAN William Liverpool 8b 167
SLOAN Wilson W. Derby 8b 367
The only possiblity would be Sarah Ann in Manchester but it doesn't look promising does it?
As they are continuallyadding records to this index then it's still possible more Sloans will appear. Basically it's a waiting game!! In my own English research I have had good success with narrowing down options and putting families together using this site. I had to wait for over a year for my own GGGrandfather's death to appear but when it did I was able to order the certificate with confidence I had the right guy.
Good luck!!
Jean
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Jean
Yes. Have done FreeBMD. Got more results from 1837on-line. Have a few suspects, but unlike ScotlandsPeople, there does not seem to be a central search point for possible birth records.
Also, Janet seems to be a real joker in the pack. She looks like one of Mary's children, but the records say otherwise. This is one really complicated family. Everytime I find another record for them, the relationships change. They would make a superb soap opera.
Dave
Yes. Have done FreeBMD. Got more results from 1837on-line. Have a few suspects, but unlike ScotlandsPeople, there does not seem to be a central search point for possible birth records.
Also, Janet seems to be a real joker in the pack. She looks like one of Mary's children, but the records say otherwise. This is one really complicated family. Everytime I find another record for them, the relationships change. They would make a superb soap opera.
Dave
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Re: your complicated family
Hello Dave,
Janet appears to be Janet McCulloch, born 30 Nov 1872. She was the illegitimate daughter of Mary McCulloch, but there is an RCE attached. There were no Sloan births in Riccarton in 1870-1875.
Although Andrew states that he was born in Lancashire on the 1901 census, consider the following births on FreeBMD:
Peter Sep qtr 1861 South Shields
Sarah Mar 1864 Tynemouth
Andrew Dec 1865 Tynemouth.
However, the coverage charts for FreeBMD show coverage varying from 100% in some quarters to almost 0% in others, so it is possible that they are still to be typed in. 1837online has 100% coverage throughout, but I have not looked there.
Tynemouth and South Shields are on opposite sides of the Tyne, and both are in coal mining areas (the occupations of Peter and Andrew). The ages are a little out, but so was Janet's. Peter helps the hypothesis by being 29 and 39 in later censuses, whereas Andrew was 24 and 32 (but he had a much younger wife - 19 and 29).
If someone else does not post, I can ask someone to look for the family in the English 1871 census, but she is away from home until Friday night.
Regards,
John
Janet appears to be Janet McCulloch, born 30 Nov 1872. She was the illegitimate daughter of Mary McCulloch, but there is an RCE attached. There were no Sloan births in Riccarton in 1870-1875.
Although Andrew states that he was born in Lancashire on the 1901 census, consider the following births on FreeBMD:
Peter Sep qtr 1861 South Shields
Sarah Mar 1864 Tynemouth
Andrew Dec 1865 Tynemouth.
However, the coverage charts for FreeBMD show coverage varying from 100% in some quarters to almost 0% in others, so it is possible that they are still to be typed in. 1837online has 100% coverage throughout, but I have not looked there.
Tynemouth and South Shields are on opposite sides of the Tyne, and both are in coal mining areas (the occupations of Peter and Andrew). The ages are a little out, but so was Janet's. Peter helps the hypothesis by being 29 and 39 in later censuses, whereas Andrew was 24 and 32 (but he had a much younger wife - 19 and 29).
If someone else does not post, I can ask someone to look for the family in the English 1871 census, but she is away from home until Friday night.
Regards,
John
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Hi Dave
I have access to the 1871 England Census so spent some time last night looking for your clan. I tried every variation I could think of....individually...families....soundex....you name it. I really don't think they were in the country in 1871...or they are going by a name other than McCulloch or Sloan. I hope someone else confirms this but I couldn't find them! Guess it's back to waiting for that 1871 Scotland census huh?
Jean
I have access to the 1871 England Census so spent some time last night looking for your clan. I tried every variation I could think of....individually...families....soundex....you name it. I really don't think they were in the country in 1871...or they are going by a name other than McCulloch or Sloan. I hope someone else confirms this but I couldn't find them! Guess it's back to waiting for that 1871 Scotland census huh?
Jean