Thomas and Elizabeth Campbell Galloway.....

[Clannessie]

They married in Stirling on Jan. 25, 1807

Children:
Elizabeth 1807 Alloa
Mary 1809 Edinburough
Jean 1811 Mid Calder
Thomas 1813 Mid Calder
James 1818 Mid Calder
Janet (believe she is my GGGGrandmother) 1819 Glasgow
Margaret 1822 Glasgow
Robert 1824 Glasgow
Helen 1829 Hamilton

story goes Elizabeth Campbell was from the "big house" on Jura and ran away with the gardener.

Any connections or info?

I have found a "widow Galloway" on the 1841 census living with son James and his wife Isabella and their son Thomas 2 and daughter Christian, also James' sister Helen in Hamilton

On the 1851 census find Elizabeth Galloway, Helen and a grandson, Thomas 2 years, in Hamilton.

Karen
Glendora, CA

[CatrionaL]

Karen

Not much help to give you, but I did wonder if you had looked for the death Certificates for Elizabeth and eventually her sister Helen who was with her on the Census? You can do a lookup on Scotland's People using her maiden and married surnames. The fact that she has spent time in Hamilton latterly could narrow down your search.

Best wishes

Catriona

[Jack]

Hi Karen,
You've got all of this, and probably more! - it's just to show it together.
THOMAS GALLOWAY & ELIZABETH CAMBELL were married 25 Jan 1807 Stirling.
--some children -
ELIZABETH GALLOWAY - Birth: 17 DEC 1807 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
MARY GALLOWAY - Birth: 10 JUL 1809, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
JEAN GALLOWAY - Birth: 04 AUG 1811 Mid Calder, Midlothian, Scotland
THOMAS GALLOWAY - Birth: 29 MAR 1813 Mid Calder, Midlothian, Scotland
JAMES GALLOWAY - Birth: 02 OCT 1814 Mid Calder, Midlothian, Scotland
JANET GALLOWAY - Birth: 18 AUG 1819 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland [also LDS submission]
MARGARET GALLOWAY - Birth: 18 AUG 1822 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland [also LDS submission]
ROBERT GALLAWAY - Birth: 04 OCT 1824 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland [LDS submission]
HELEN GALLOWAY - Christening: 09 AUG 1829 Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland
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1841 census 647 Ed 9 p 3 (Hamilton)
Postgate.
// James GALLOWAY, 25, baker, b LKS [should be as born outside County]
Isabella GALLOWAY, 25, ------b LKS
Thomas GALLOWAY, 2, --------b LKS
Christina GALLOWAY, 9mos, ---b LKS
/ Widow GALLOWAY, 50, pauper, b LKS [this does look like Elizabeth CAMBELL]
Helen GALLOWAY, 11, tambourer, b LKS
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1851 census 647 (657) Ed 5 p 21 (Hamilton)
6 High Patrick Street.
James GALLOWAY, head, marr, 35, baker, b Hamilton, LKS [seems to have died 1851-1861]
Isabella GALLOWAY, wife, marr, 36, -------b Hamilton, LKS
Thomas GALLOWAY, son, 14, weaver, b Hamilton, LKS
Christina GALLOWAY, daur, 11, --------b Hamilton, LKS
James GALLOWAY, son, 7, -------------b Hamilton, LKS
John GALLOWAY, son, 5, --------------b Hamilton, LKS
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1851 census 647 (657) Ed 7 p 23 (Hamilton)
47 Townhead Street.
Elizabeth GALLOWAY, wife, widow, 60, nil?, b Uphall, Linlithgowshire [sic]
Helen GALLOWAY, daur, u/m 21, lace maker, b Hamilton, LKS
Thomas GALLOWAY, gr-son, 2, ------------------- b Hamilton, LKS
[but where are they all in 1861?]
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1861 census 647 Ed 8 p 16 (Hamilton)
16 Young Street.
Isabella GALLOWAY, head, widow, 47, tambourer, b Hamilton, LKS
Thomas GALLOWAY, son, u/m 22, j/man baker, b Hamilton, LKS
Christina GALLOWAY, daur, u/m 20, --------------b Hamilton, LKS
James GALLOWAY, son, u/m 17, silk weaver, b Hamilton, LKS
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Pure speculation now.....and i can't see any way of proving or otherwise at present.
Is this JANET GALLOWAY, the sister of your JEAN YOUNG m/s GALLOWAY ?
She's certainly around the right age for the Janet born 1819.
But looks like she's died a young woman, maybe 1843 -1851 [possibly nearer to 1843?]
For - the 2 birth witnesses names of James & Robert GALLOWAY.
Against - the 1st born girl is Margaret, and not Elizabeth.
(but saying that, naming patterns weren't always used by everyone)
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ROBERT RODGER & JANET GALLOWAY - Marriage: 24 MAR 1839 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland [IGI]
OPR 644. Volume 42. p 229. (Glasgow)
24 MAR 1839. "Robert RODGER, cloth lapper in Glasgow & Janet GALLOWAY residing there"
--children--
MARGARET RODGER - Birth ~1839. [name from 1841 census]

ROBERT RODGER - Birth: 01 MAY 1841 Barony, Lanark, Scotland.
OPR 622. Volume 11. p 273 (Barony)
"Robert RODGER, cloth lapper & Janet GALLOWAY had a lawful son,
their 2nd child named Robert born 1st May 1841 at 45 Old Dalmarnock Rd.
James & Robert GALLOWAY, witnesses"

JANET RODGER - Birth: 31 JAN 1843 Barony, Lanark, Scotland.
OPR 622. Volume 12. p 11 (Barony)
"Robert RODGER, cloth lapper & Janet GALLOWAY had a lawful daughter,
their 3rd child named Janet born 31st January 1843 at 13 Orr St, Calton.
James & Robert GALLOWAY, witnesses"
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1841 census 622 Ed 80 p 20 (Bridgeton)
John Street.
Robert RODGER, 20, cloth lapper, b LKS
Janet RODGER, 20, ------------------b LKS
Margaret RODGER, 2, --------------b LKS
Robert RODGER, 1mo, -----------b LKS
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1851 census 622 (603) Ed 33 pp 3-4 (Bridgeton - Calton)
4 James Street.
Robert RODGER, head, widower, 33, clark in cotton factory, b Glasgow, LKS
Robert RODGER, son, 9, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Janet RODGER, daur, 7, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret McKINNON, sister, widow, 39, cotton yarn winder, b Galston, AYR
Margaret McKINNON, niece, 11, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
[John MCKINNON & Margaret RODGER - married about 15 APR 1836 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland]
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1861 census 644-10 Ed 55 p 15 (Hutchesontown)
112 Hospital Street.
Margaret McKINNON, head, widow, 46, ---------------b Galston, AYR
Margaret McKINNON, daur, u/m 20, linen worker, b Glasgow, LKS
Robert RODGER, boarder, u/m 20, hotel waiter, b Glasgow, LKS [this does look like 9yr old Rodger from 1851]
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1861 census 646-2 Ed 8 p 7 (Govan - Partick) Whiteinch.
[living with the family of William Wilson 41, b West Kilbride, wife Mary 31 b Campsie, son John 3 b Whiteinch]
[there were also 8 boarders in the household]
Janet RODGER, servant, u/m 18, domestic servant, b Glasgow, LKS [is this the 7yr old Janet from 1851?]
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No harm in taking a wee note of it all in case you can see an answer at some point.
But please mind there is no way just now of knowing if this is your Janet...
And is only guesswork based on the 2 witnesses names - so very shaky "evidence"!
Jack
ps, it might be worth trying to contact the submitter of the Galloway children's births.
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[Jean Jeanie]

Jack

So glad to see that you are back on the ball again!!

Jean

[Jack]

Hi again Karen,
I know you have this 1851 census, it's just to compare with 1861 & 1871.
I'd previously wondered where they were after 1851,
and can only presume at present that wee Thomas (2yrs in 1851) was Helen's illeg. son.

Now i don't know if this is Helen, the daur of Thomas GALLOWAY & Elizabeth CAMPBELL.
I can't see a MC for Alexander Pitt & Helen, but the later children's BCs should say when they married.
(ie presuming they actually did)
Helen's DC would need to be found before anything else,
simply because i may well be wrong on all of this...

There are a number of children born to an Alexander PITT & Helen GALLOWAY,
These at least.....
JANET PITT - Birth: 05 FEB 1857 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark.....[d. 1857-61?]
ALEXANDER PITT - Birth: 05 MAY 1861 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark...[d. 1861-71?]
MARY PITT - Birth: 02 APR 1862 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark
JOHN PITT - Birth: 01 OCT 1864 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark
ELIZABETH PITT - Birth: 07 JAN 1867 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark...[d. 1867-71?]
HELEN PITT - Birth: 06 DEC 1868 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark...[d. 1869-71?]
JANE PITT - Birth: 20 DEC 1869 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark
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>1851 census 647 (657) Ed 7 p 23 (Hamilton)
>47 Townhead Street.
>Elizabeth GALLOWAY, wife, widow, 60, b Uphall, Linlithgow [poss d. 1851-61?]
>Helen GALLOWAY, daur, u/m 21, lace maker, b Hamilton, LKS
>Thomas GALLOWAY, gr-son, 2, ---------------- b Hamilton, LKS
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1861 census 644-2 Ed 73 p 6 (St. John)
7 Graeme St. Backland.
Alexander PITT, head, 37, ostler, b Leith, Edin.shire
Hellen PITT, wife, 33, --------------b Hamilton, LKS [Helen Galloway?]
Thomas PITT, 12, message boy, b Hamilton, LKS [Thomas Galloway?]
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1871 census 644-2 Ed 56 p 4 (St. John)
7 Graeme St.
Alexander PITT, head, 43, stable groom, b Leith, Edin.shire
Helen PITT, 40, wife, -------------b Hamilton, LKS
Mary PITT, daur, 9, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
John PITT, son, 7, scholar, b Glasgow
Jeanie PITT, daur, 1, -------b Glasgow
(can't see the family in Scotland 1881)
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And more guesswork....
There is this Thomas...MC would need looked at to see who his parents are.
But even if his mother is Helen GALLOWAY, seems he's taken the surname of PITT.
(if it is Thomas Galloway, he would only have known Alexander Pitt as his father)
THOMAS PITT
MARGARET MCGEE
Marriage: 15 JUL 1870 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

1871 census 644-3 Ed 12 p 10 (St. John)
17 Knox Place.
Thomas PITT, head, 21, shoemaker, b Glasgow, LKS [but shd be b. Hamilton?]
Margaret PITT, wife, 20, ----------------b Ireland
Helen PITT, daur, 4mos, -----------------b Glasgow, LKS
(can't see Thomas & Margaret in Scotland 1881)
(wee Helen is as a 10yr old gr-daur with an Allan / McGee family)
--
Jack
ps,

So glad to see that you are back on the ball again!!

I have my doubts on that...
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Edited to correct the names of Helen & Jeanie in 1871.

[Clannessie]

As always Jack you do AMAZE me with the info you find!!!!

I really do think that the 1851 census with Elizabeth, Helen and Thomas are my relatives.

I just finished trying to track a Helen Galloway who married a Robert Corner in 1851 but do not think it's my Helen.

You might have something with the Pitt name. As it happened many many times, a son took the step-fathers name....it happened to my Dad about 1927 in rural Illinois. His birth father's name is long lost. Just looking at the age of Helen, and I know those ages changed alot but it says 33...where she should be more 31.....hmmmm but something to consider.

I know you have mentioned getting death records but I am having a hard time finding any

I have tried on Elizabeth Galloway...Thomas Galloway would have been pre 1855. Jean Young who married Andrew Young (the one with 3 wives) was also pre 1855. I did find one for their son, James..you had found him in the census for 1851, mentioning he must have died before 1862. I found his DC for Feb 16, 1855 of choria.

So a question is: How do you find death records before 1855?

Again...thanks for the new info and all your wonderful help!!!

Love,
Karen

[Clannessie]

I was re-reading the post from Nov 2006 from you...guess I might have missed really ready what you wrote about "Janet" marrying a Rodger....I think I was on overload from the other post I had on the Galloway marriage....
I really need to find Janet's death record it seems.

Interesting if this is my rellie...that her second son's birth day date is the same as mine...May 1...have been waiting to find a rellie born on .the same day of May as I w as

Karen

[Clannessie]

On the Pitts above, I found more childen:

Father: Alexander Pitt Mother: Helen Galloway
all children born in High Church
Janet Feb, 5 1857 mut have died
Alexander May 5, 1861 must have died
Mary April 2, 1862
John Oct 1, 1864
Elizabeth Jan 7, 1867 must have died
Helen Dec 6, 1868 must have died
Janie Dec 20, 1869


For Thomas Pitt and Margaret McGhee
Helen Nov 28, 1870
Margaret June 18, 1872

You said you found Helen as a grand daughter with Alan/McGhee family...wonder what happened to her sister, Margaret? Let alone her parents!

Karen

[Clannessie]

Me again...

Think I found Alexander's birth on Nov 23, 1822 in South Leith, Midlothian
parents: James and Mary Cochrane married Aug 19, 1815 in Saint Ninians. Stirling

They had:
Janet May 1, 1820 South Leith
Alexander above
James Dec 5, 1824 South Leith

[Jack]

Hi Karen,
I'd found these last month, but wanted do a bit of checking before sending them on.
Some Poor Relief applications for Alexander PITT & Helen GALLOWAY.
As you'll see, Helen is the daur of Thomas GALLOWAY & Elizabeth CAMPBELL.
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Glasgow Poor Relief Application. D-HEW. 10/2/21. Page 126. N° 72310.
12.45 pm. 4 Jan 1860.
Alexander PITT.
17 High Street, right stair, 3 up.
Born - South Leith, Kirkgate.
Inspector's visit - 2.30 pm. 5 Jan 1860.
Married, age 37, occup - stabler.
Partially disabled - wife, fever.
Dependants -
Wife Helen GALLOWAY (30) born in Hamilton.
Thomas (11) born in Hamilton.
1st application. Setlement unknown.
Called frequently but never could find him in.
Wife sent to Infirmary 14 Jan 1860.
Jno. Paterson, Asst. Inspector.
-----------end--------------

It looks like Helen GALLOWAY was very poorly before the birth of her stillborn child in 1874.
Inspectors rarely visited on the day of an application - it was usually the next day at least.
Must've been a very hard time for the three young children too; losing both parents within 4 months.
Very sad indeed; and i wonder what became of the 3 orphans?
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Glasgow Poor Relief Application. D-HEW. 10/4/50. Page 24. N° C 3206. (N14991).
Applied 12.20 pm. 9 Dec 1874.
Helen Galloway PITT. (Died 12 Dec 74)
22 Little Dove Hill, front 2 up right.
Born - Hamilton.
Inspector's visit - 4.30 pm, 9 Dec 74.
Widow, age 47, occup - winder. Protestant.
Disability - "had still born child" (buried by Parish). Dr Lothian.
Dependants -
Mary 12 yrs, born 7 Graeme St.
John 10 yrs, born 7 Graeme St. (Great Dovehill School)
Jane 6 yrs, born 7 Graeme St.
Husband Alex. PITT, 51 yrs b. Leith, stableman, died suddenly at above 4 months ago.
Son of Jas. PITT, sailor & Jane PENMAN, both dead.
Daur of Thos. GALLOWAY, baker & Elizabeth CAMPBELL, both dead.
See son, L44. 120 & 4.24.387.
1st application. Settlement - Glasgow.
Married 28 yrs ago at Leith.
Since her husband's death pauper has supported herself & children.
She is now 5 or 6 wks ill, 8 days confined to bed and are all very destitute.
Rent - £9 7/-. 2 apartment. 1 lodger 1/-
Particulars of Settlement.
Husband's residence - in present home. Glasgow Parish, 4 months.
Prior - 7 Graeme St. Certified by Factor. Glasgow Parish, 19 years.
9 Dec 74. Interim relief. 2/-
10 Dec 74. 4. 1/- [?]
John Stewart, Asst. Inspector.
---------------end-----------------

I can't understand why this wee Andrew PITT was as illegitimate.
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BC - Andrew PITT (illeg), b 14 APR 1872 at 7 Graeme St. Glasgow.
pas -Alxander PITT, hostler & Helen CAMPBELL [sic], yarn winder.
Informants - Helen CAMPBELL, her X, mother & Alex. PITT, father, 7 Graeme St.
&
DC - Andrew PITT (illeg) (2yrs 3mos) d. 1 AUG 1874 at 22 Little Dovehill.
pas - Alexander PITT, stable groom & Helen CAMPBELL [sic], housekeeper.
Informant - Helen CAMPBELL, her X, mother.
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Helen CAMPBELL? Helen GALLOWAY?
Can't see how they could be two different ladies.
Unless the lodger was a Helen Campbell....
Andrew's 1872 birth was at 7 Graeme St., and his 1874 death at 22 Little Dovehill.
(both addresses are where Helen GALLOWAY was living as on the 1874 Poor Law record)
Was it because it was somehow discovered that they never were actually married?
All rather puzzling.

There are 7 previous children, and none are as illegitimate.
Daur Jane PITT's 1857 BC doesn't give parents marriage date because from 1856-1860 no BCs did.
Son Alexander's 1861 BC says parents married February 1854, Glasgow.
As regards the other five BCs - Mary b.1862, John b.1864, Elizabeth b.1867, Helen b.1868, Jane b.1869.
All (except Mary's that had no month) said they married February 1848, Glasgow.
Though the Dec 1874 Poor Law record says "married 28 yrs ago at Leith"..... [ie abt 1846]
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Alexander PITT (51), stable groom, died 8 AUG 1874 at 22 Little Dovehill.
Married to Helen GALLOWAY.
pas - John PITT [sic], seaman & mother unknown.
Informant - Helen PITT, widow.
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Helen PITT (47) d. 12 DEC 1874 at 22 Little Dovehill.
Widow of Alexander PITT, stableman.
pas - Thomas GALLOWAY, baker & Elizabeth m/s CAMPBELL.
Infmt - John Stewart, City Parish Inspector.
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Jack