Hi everyone
I have just joined TalkingScot and have been really impressed at how brilliant a lot of you are at giving help and support to one another. So I'm hoping that some of you might be prepared to offer me some advice with my own particular brick wall.
My great-great-grandfather Charles Cassils Grieve (born 3 July 1842 in Portobello, Edinburgh) was one of 5 children born to John Grieve and Margaret Dempster.
He had 2 brothers -
John, born 30 November 1838 in Govan, Glasgow &
James Turner, born 7 February 1844 in Portobello, Edinburgh.
He had 2 sisters -
Barbara Isabella, born 6 June 1840 in Govan, Glasgow and died 25 August 1851 &
Christina, born 2 March 1846 and died 24 March 1853.
I have managed to find out quite a lot about both Charles and his elder brother John, not to mention their father, also called John (inevitably!) through various searches on the internet.
My brick wall is with the younger brother James Turner Grieve. I have found him on the 1851 census and also the 1861 census - in each case he was still living at home. In the 1851 census, the family were living in Prestonpans and in the 1861 census, the family were living in Tranent.
After 1861 I can find no trace of him - any clues or ideas please? I don't know if he emigrated, joined the army or what.
In the 1871 census, the 2 brothers John and Charles and their mother Margaret were still living in the same house as in 1861.
On IGI James comes up with a birth record (although Turner has been transcribed as Turnes) but no marriage or death records. Searching through a lot of the marriage records on IGI, I have found they contain no birth information so I have no way of double-checking if any of them is my great-great-uncle or not.
Thanks in advance for any help that may be forthcoming and fingers crossed for a breakthrough!
Best wishes to all
Claudette
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Hi Claudette:
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Welcome to TalkingScot!
You haven't mentioned looking on ScotlandsPeople http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ which is the official source of Scottish records. It's a pay as you go site, but very reasonable and payment is accepted by secure credit card transaction.
Someone with more knowledge of the locations you mention will be along and be able to shed more light than I, but in the meantime ...
There is no death listed for James between 1855 and 1861 that would be of a suitable age.
There are 2 James Grieve (aged 6-7) listed in the 1851 census, 6 listed (age 16-17) in the 1861 and 3 listed in the 1871 census (aged 26-27)
The census records are also listing Barbara and Christina of suitable ages in 1861. ScotlandsPeople, holding the official records will provide you with much more than the IGI. The IGI is based on what has been submitted to it by individuals combing records and entering family names, so is not complete in any way.
Frances
Welcome to TalkingScot!You haven't mentioned looking on ScotlandsPeople http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ which is the official source of Scottish records. It's a pay as you go site, but very reasonable and payment is accepted by secure credit card transaction.
Someone with more knowledge of the locations you mention will be along and be able to shed more light than I, but in the meantime ...
There is no death listed for James between 1855 and 1861 that would be of a suitable age.
There are 2 James Grieve (aged 6-7) listed in the 1851 census, 6 listed (age 16-17) in the 1861 and 3 listed in the 1871 census (aged 26-27)
The census records are also listing Barbara and Christina of suitable ages in 1861. ScotlandsPeople, holding the official records will provide you with much more than the IGI. The IGI is based on what has been submitted to it by individuals combing records and entering family names, so is not complete in any way.
Frances
John Kelly (b 22 Sep 1897) eldest child of John Kelly & Christina Lipsett Kelly of Glasgow
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LesleyB
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Hi Claudette
...and a warm welcom to Talking Scot
Just checking with a quick parent search on the IGI which shows the following children for your couple:
JOHN GRIEVE - submission
Gender: Male Birth: 30 NOV 1838 Hillhead, Govan, Lanark, Scotland
BARBARA ISABELLA GRIEVE - extract
Gender: Female Birth: 06 JUN 1840 Govan, Lanark, Scotland
CHARLES CAPETS GRIEVE - submission (note possible mistranscription of middle name)
Gender: Male Birth: 03 JUL 1842 Portobello, Duddingston, Midlothian, Scotland
JAMES TURNES GRIEVE - submission (ditto!)
Gender: Male Birth: 07 FEB 1844 Portobello, Midlothian, Scotland
As three of the above are submissions, they may, or may not be, accurate. For some reason it is not showing Christina either (even when searching for Christian, as the two names are often confused). A couple of questions too, just so we know where you info has come from, where you have looked already and where you perhaps have not tried yet - did you find the above births in the OPRs, and where did your info concerning the deaths of Christina & Barbara come from?
And did James Turner Grieve have an occupation in 1861 census?
Best wishes
Lesley
...and a warm welcom to Talking Scot
Just checking with a quick parent search on the IGI which shows the following children for your couple:
JOHN GRIEVE - submission
Gender: Male Birth: 30 NOV 1838 Hillhead, Govan, Lanark, Scotland
BARBARA ISABELLA GRIEVE - extract
Gender: Female Birth: 06 JUN 1840 Govan, Lanark, Scotland
CHARLES CAPETS GRIEVE - submission (note possible mistranscription of middle name)
Gender: Male Birth: 03 JUL 1842 Portobello, Duddingston, Midlothian, Scotland
JAMES TURNES GRIEVE - submission (ditto!)
Gender: Male Birth: 07 FEB 1844 Portobello, Midlothian, Scotland
As three of the above are submissions, they may, or may not be, accurate. For some reason it is not showing Christina either (even when searching for Christian, as the two names are often confused). A couple of questions too, just so we know where you info has come from, where you have looked already and where you perhaps have not tried yet - did you find the above births in the OPRs, and where did your info concerning the deaths of Christina & Barbara come from?
And did James Turner Grieve have an occupation in 1861 census?
Best wishes
Lesley
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Hi everyone again
Thanks to Frances and Lesley for your warm welcomes and also your very speedy replies - amazing.
Scotlands People is the main website that I have used for searching for my maternal Grieve family tree. I have managed to confirm not only all that I already knew and but also find out quite a lot more through using it. I've spent a small fortune as well! However, it's all well worth it. The only trouble is it becomes very addictive.
I had a feeling that IGI might not be complete but I tried using both IGI and Ancestry.co.uk when I wasn't getting very far with Scotlands People as regards James's death or appearance in any census after 1861. I have come up with no definite info using either of those sites either so it's a bit frustrating!
I started with the info that I knew for sure about my maternal grandfather, who died when my mother was 7 in 1926. I also knew from the one family tree I was given by my aunt that my maternal great-grandfather was called Charles Cassils Grieve, that he was born in 1842, died in 1906 and that he married Isabella Moore in September 1880.
I'm sure I have the right family in both the 1851 and the 1861 censuses, because I also know that they were coalmasters which ties in with their occupations in the censuses.
In the 1861 census James's occupation was 'scholar' so that doesn't get me very far! I also would have thought that if James had been around he would have been involved in the family business - hence me thinking he had either died or moved some way away.
I haven't been able to find a birth certificate on Christina either - she does appear on the 1851 census with the family when she was 5, which is how I originally knew of her existence. But then neither Christina or Barbara appeared on the 1861 census.
My death information comes from the fact that we found the grave for Christina, her father John Grieve (born 17 June 1798 & died 21 August 1863), her mother Margaret Dempster (born 25 August 1817 & died 23 January 1894) and her sister Barbara Isabella (born 6 June 1840 & died 25 August 1851) in Prestongrange Church, Prestonpans last September when on a weekend trip to Edinburgh. That was so exciting as you can imagine - the vicar happened to come by when we were at the graveside and he kindly showed us the burial records for John Grieve, but he didn't have the burial records for the other members of the family.
Considering that the grave includes their mother Margaret who died in 1894, you'd have thought that if James had died before that time then he would have been buried there with the family. Charles died in 1906 in Morningside, Edinburgh and brother John died in 1907 in Portobello, Edinburgh. I have yet to find their graves - I'm still waiting a reply from Mortonhall as to whether Charles is buried in Morningside Cemetery and I'm not sure of the graveyards in Portobello. Can anyone help me there with ideas?
I'm having another trip up to Edinburgh later on this year so am already planning where to go for my researches - the Local History Centre in Haddington will be near the top of the list as I thought I could look through the local newspaper archives for any info.
Hope this helps to confirm my sources and thanks again for all your input. It's nice not to feel alone.
Best wishes
Claudette
Thanks to Frances and Lesley for your warm welcomes and also your very speedy replies - amazing.
Scotlands People is the main website that I have used for searching for my maternal Grieve family tree. I have managed to confirm not only all that I already knew and but also find out quite a lot more through using it. I've spent a small fortune as well! However, it's all well worth it. The only trouble is it becomes very addictive.
I had a feeling that IGI might not be complete but I tried using both IGI and Ancestry.co.uk when I wasn't getting very far with Scotlands People as regards James's death or appearance in any census after 1861. I have come up with no definite info using either of those sites either so it's a bit frustrating!
I started with the info that I knew for sure about my maternal grandfather, who died when my mother was 7 in 1926. I also knew from the one family tree I was given by my aunt that my maternal great-grandfather was called Charles Cassils Grieve, that he was born in 1842, died in 1906 and that he married Isabella Moore in September 1880.
I'm sure I have the right family in both the 1851 and the 1861 censuses, because I also know that they were coalmasters which ties in with their occupations in the censuses.
In the 1861 census James's occupation was 'scholar' so that doesn't get me very far! I also would have thought that if James had been around he would have been involved in the family business - hence me thinking he had either died or moved some way away.
I haven't been able to find a birth certificate on Christina either - she does appear on the 1851 census with the family when she was 5, which is how I originally knew of her existence. But then neither Christina or Barbara appeared on the 1861 census.
My death information comes from the fact that we found the grave for Christina, her father John Grieve (born 17 June 1798 & died 21 August 1863), her mother Margaret Dempster (born 25 August 1817 & died 23 January 1894) and her sister Barbara Isabella (born 6 June 1840 & died 25 August 1851) in Prestongrange Church, Prestonpans last September when on a weekend trip to Edinburgh. That was so exciting as you can imagine - the vicar happened to come by when we were at the graveside and he kindly showed us the burial records for John Grieve, but he didn't have the burial records for the other members of the family.
Considering that the grave includes their mother Margaret who died in 1894, you'd have thought that if James had died before that time then he would have been buried there with the family. Charles died in 1906 in Morningside, Edinburgh and brother John died in 1907 in Portobello, Edinburgh. I have yet to find their graves - I'm still waiting a reply from Mortonhall as to whether Charles is buried in Morningside Cemetery and I'm not sure of the graveyards in Portobello. Can anyone help me there with ideas?
I'm having another trip up to Edinburgh later on this year so am already planning where to go for my researches - the Local History Centre in Haddington will be near the top of the list as I thought I could look through the local newspaper archives for any info.
Hope this helps to confirm my sources and thanks again for all your input. It's nice not to feel alone.
Best wishes
Claudette
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Hi Claudette
Sounds like you have spent a fair bit of time and money on this family. I think most of us know that feeling of having spent a small fortume on SP - I'm convinced SP is directly responsible for my not having a large villa with swimming pool in the South of France....
I also have a couple of young men, brothers, who disappear into thin air after their last appearance in the 1881 census (with a mention in a legal document in 1885, so I know they were still alive then, it just does not state where!!) and goodness knows what happened to them after that so I can certainly understand your problem, part of which is knowing that, as young men, they could have gone absolutely anywhere.
Even if we have to eventually come to the conclusion that we are as mystified as you are, at least you know there are a good number of TS folks who understand your frustrations absolutely!
Best wishes
Lesley
Sounds like you have spent a fair bit of time and money on this family. I think most of us know that feeling of having spent a small fortume on SP - I'm convinced SP is directly responsible for my not having a large villa with swimming pool in the South of France....
What a wonderful find. I love those kind of discoveries....we found the grave for Christina, her father John Grieve..her mother Margaret Dempster ...and her sister Barbara Isabella in Prestongrange Church, Prestonpans last September ...That was so exciting as you can imagine
I also have a couple of young men, brothers, who disappear into thin air after their last appearance in the 1881 census (with a mention in a legal document in 1885, so I know they were still alive then, it just does not state where!!) and goodness knows what happened to them after that so I can certainly understand your problem, part of which is knowing that, as young men, they could have gone absolutely anywhere.
You are never alone on here!It's nice not to feel alone.
Even if we have to eventually come to the conclusion that we are as mystified as you are, at least you know there are a good number of TS folks who understand your frustrations absolutely! Best wishes
Lesley
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Hi Claudette
I started thinking about this from a different direction.
The Govan parish entries make sense if you think of the parish extending on the North side of the Clyde up to what is now Anniesland Cross in Glasgow. There were small coal mines dotted all over the North side of Glasgow back in the 1830's/1840's.
I was surprised at the Portobello entries because by 1854 Portobello was a sea-bathing resort linked to Edinburgh by rail. I am inclined to think that the Prestonpans and Tranent entries were made under the Haddingtonshire designation. Both places were mining villages although Tranent survived much longer as a mining centre.
Coal Masters were rather more affluent than the poor coal miner so there may be some records still in existence from the days of the small coal companies which might give some clues.It is also highly unlikely that James actually went down the mines unless as an engineer but it is a possibility that he could have been involved in some kind of accident.
People with mining knowledge also went out to South America as well as the US of A, Australia and South Africa so he may appear on a passenger list but not neccessarily as an emigrant.
Sorry its only a few further ideas for you to pursue but - Who knows.
My colleagues solved one of my major puzzles within half an hour when I first aired it.
Russell
I started thinking about this from a different direction.
The Govan parish entries make sense if you think of the parish extending on the North side of the Clyde up to what is now Anniesland Cross in Glasgow. There were small coal mines dotted all over the North side of Glasgow back in the 1830's/1840's.
I was surprised at the Portobello entries because by 1854 Portobello was a sea-bathing resort linked to Edinburgh by rail. I am inclined to think that the Prestonpans and Tranent entries were made under the Haddingtonshire designation. Both places were mining villages although Tranent survived much longer as a mining centre.
Coal Masters were rather more affluent than the poor coal miner so there may be some records still in existence from the days of the small coal companies which might give some clues.It is also highly unlikely that James actually went down the mines unless as an engineer but it is a possibility that he could have been involved in some kind of accident.
People with mining knowledge also went out to South America as well as the US of A, Australia and South Africa so he may appear on a passenger list but not neccessarily as an emigrant.
Sorry its only a few further ideas for you to pursue but - Who knows.
My colleagues solved one of my major puzzles within half an hour when I first aired it.
Russell
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Hi Claudette,
There are two cemeteries in the Portobello area - Portobello Cemetery in Milton Road East and Piershill Cemetery in Piersfield Terrace. A little further away, but on the same side of town are Eastern Cemetery and Seafield Cemetery.
http://www.headstones.fsnet.co.uk/piers.htm
Piershill and Eastern Cemeteries are owned by the Edinburgh Eastern Cemeteries Company. It looks like they hold the cemetery records.
http://www.abercorn.info/about.htm
http://www.abercorn.info/contact.htm
Seafield Cemetery is owned by Edinburgh Crematoruim Limited. I don't see any mention of the cemetery records, but I guess they must hold them.
http://edinburghcrematorium.com/SeaCem.html
Portobello Cemetery, like Morningside Cemetery is owned by the City Council and has its records kept at the offices at Mortonhall Cemetery.
http://www.eastlothian.gov.uk/content/0 ... 34,00.html
All the best,
AndrewP
The monumental inscriptions of Morningside Cemetery were published by the Morningside Association in the 1980s. As far as I remember that included modern headstones too (a lot of MI publications only deal with pre-1855). That book should be in the Edinburgh Room of Edinburgh Central Library, and probably in Morningside Library too.claudette wrote:Charles died in 1906 in Morningside, Edinburgh and brother John died in 1907 in Portobello, Edinburgh. I have yet to find their graves - I'm still waiting a reply from Mortonhall as to whether Charles is buried in Morningside Cemetery and I'm not sure of the graveyards in Portobello. Can anyone help me there with ideas?
There are two cemeteries in the Portobello area - Portobello Cemetery in Milton Road East and Piershill Cemetery in Piersfield Terrace. A little further away, but on the same side of town are Eastern Cemetery and Seafield Cemetery.
http://www.headstones.fsnet.co.uk/piers.htm
Piershill and Eastern Cemeteries are owned by the Edinburgh Eastern Cemeteries Company. It looks like they hold the cemetery records.
http://www.abercorn.info/about.htm
http://www.abercorn.info/contact.htm
Seafield Cemetery is owned by Edinburgh Crematoruim Limited. I don't see any mention of the cemetery records, but I guess they must hold them.
http://edinburghcrematorium.com/SeaCem.html
Portobello Cemetery, like Morningside Cemetery is owned by the City Council and has its records kept at the offices at Mortonhall Cemetery.
As it gets nearer the time for your visit, contact the East Lothian Archives to confirm their location. Their collection is currently in the library in the town centre. They plan a move to new facilities - East Lothian Cultural Centre.claudette wrote:I'm having another trip up to Edinburgh later on this year so am already planning where to go for my researches - the Local History Centre in Haddington will be near the top of the list as I thought I could look through the local newspaper archives for any info.
http://www.eastlothian.gov.uk/content/0 ... 34,00.html
All the best,
AndrewP
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claudette
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Hi Russell and all of you out there
Thanks for your reply and very interesting it was too. I didn't realise that there were small coal mines dotted around the North side of Glasgow in the 1830s/1840s. That presumably explains why my great-great-grandfather John Grieve was in the Glasgow area at that time - another question answered as I had wondered how on earth he had met his wife Margaret when he came from Fife and she was from Greenock!
He had been born in 1798 in Kirkcaldy in Fife, according to the census info I have. As I have been unable to decipher the names of his parents on his death certificate on Scotlands People, I am awaiting an actual copy to see if that will help and if I can go any further back. However, I did learn from what I could read that his father was also a Coalmaster, although I don't know where.
Why 2 of his children were born in Portobello I don't yet know. That's the beauty of this hobby - there's always something to ponder about and new lines of research to follow!
When GGGF John Grieve moved to the Prestonpans area, he was the proprietor of Prestonlinks colliery and his sons John and Charles took over as owners of the colliery when their father died in 1863. GGGF John also set up a brickworks in Tranent in 1860, which again brothers John and Charles ran after their father's death until it closed down in 1893. That's why I was surprised that James hadn't stayed around to help run the family businesses - who knows - maybe the brothers didn't get on.
Charles's wife Isabella also came from a mining family - her father was a coalmaster, her grandfather was a mining engineer who was killed in an accident in 1847 and I think her uncle was a mining inspector.
So your comment that people with mining knowledge went out to South America, USA, Australia and South Africa is very interesting and helpful and may well be what happened to James.
I know you can look up passenger lists on Findmypast to USA from 1890 on - does anyone know of any way of finding passenger lists for
a) before 1890
b) to South America, South Africa and Australia
Then does anyone have any idea of the best ways for me to search census and/or death records for South America, USA, South Africa and Australia? I obviously would need some way of being able to check birth date and place on these records to be sure I had the right James Grieve -it's amazing just how many James Grieve's there are!
I had also thought about going to the National Archives of Scotland on my trip to Edinburgh to do some research in their coal mining records - whether that would come up with any answers I don't know but it's worth a shot.
How exciting - all these new ideas to follow up.
Many thanks to all of you for your input - it's really helpful to share people's different ideas and knowledge on the subject.
Best wishes
Claudette
Thanks for your reply and very interesting it was too. I didn't realise that there were small coal mines dotted around the North side of Glasgow in the 1830s/1840s. That presumably explains why my great-great-grandfather John Grieve was in the Glasgow area at that time - another question answered as I had wondered how on earth he had met his wife Margaret when he came from Fife and she was from Greenock!
He had been born in 1798 in Kirkcaldy in Fife, according to the census info I have. As I have been unable to decipher the names of his parents on his death certificate on Scotlands People, I am awaiting an actual copy to see if that will help and if I can go any further back. However, I did learn from what I could read that his father was also a Coalmaster, although I don't know where.
Why 2 of his children were born in Portobello I don't yet know. That's the beauty of this hobby - there's always something to ponder about and new lines of research to follow!
When GGGF John Grieve moved to the Prestonpans area, he was the proprietor of Prestonlinks colliery and his sons John and Charles took over as owners of the colliery when their father died in 1863. GGGF John also set up a brickworks in Tranent in 1860, which again brothers John and Charles ran after their father's death until it closed down in 1893. That's why I was surprised that James hadn't stayed around to help run the family businesses - who knows - maybe the brothers didn't get on.
Charles's wife Isabella also came from a mining family - her father was a coalmaster, her grandfather was a mining engineer who was killed in an accident in 1847 and I think her uncle was a mining inspector.
So your comment that people with mining knowledge went out to South America, USA, Australia and South Africa is very interesting and helpful and may well be what happened to James.
I know you can look up passenger lists on Findmypast to USA from 1890 on - does anyone know of any way of finding passenger lists for
a) before 1890
b) to South America, South Africa and Australia
Then does anyone have any idea of the best ways for me to search census and/or death records for South America, USA, South Africa and Australia? I obviously would need some way of being able to check birth date and place on these records to be sure I had the right James Grieve -it's amazing just how many James Grieve's there are!
I had also thought about going to the National Archives of Scotland on my trip to Edinburgh to do some research in their coal mining records - whether that would come up with any answers I don't know but it's worth a shot.
How exciting - all these new ideas to follow up.
Many thanks to all of you for your input - it's really helpful to share people's different ideas and knowledge on the subject.
Best wishes
Claudette
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claudette
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Hi everyone
It's me again! I was so excited by all of yesterday's posts and new ideas, I just couldn't sleep!
AndrewP - thanks for all your input, which is really helpful.
I will e-mail Morningside Library to see if they have the book of monumental inscriptions. If so, then I could just walk straight to the cemetery and also have a look at Cluny Drive, which is where my great-grandfather Charles died.
On our trip to Edinburgh last September we went to one churchyard in Portobello which was on Portobello High Street, but didn't find any Grieve gravestones there. I don't know what that churchyard was called. We also found another churchyard on the left hand side of the road virtually opposite - I think the road led down to the old Municipal Baths - but that churchyard was locked. Again I don't know the name of that churchyard. Do you have any idea of the names of those 2 churchyards?
My great-great-uncle John lived at 111 Joppa Road in the 1901 census (in his mother-in-law's house) - I know that house doesn't exist any more as we drove along Joppa Road to try and find it. According to his death certificate, the house was called Coillesdene - so that's presumably why Coillesdene Drive is so named, because the road is where the house used to be.
Having found Milton Road East on multi-map, I know that we didn't drive along that road - we stayed in Portobello itself. So the main Portobello Cemetery sounds a good place to search as it's pretty close to where he lived. I don't know what church he would have attended if that would make any difference as to where he would be buried.
Do you know if there is a book of Portobello Cemetery monumental inscriptions in the same way you said that there is one for Morningside Cemetery?
Also thanks for the tip about contacting East Lothian Archives. Their website recommends making a reserve booking for the microfilm/fiche reader in advance, so I will confirm their location at the same time.
Although I originally started out on here looking for James, it's been so helpful having everybody's input giving advice on where to look for different things - it has really helped answer other questions. Posed some new ones too!
Hope you all have a good day.
Best wishes
Claudette
It's me again! I was so excited by all of yesterday's posts and new ideas, I just couldn't sleep!
AndrewP - thanks for all your input, which is really helpful.
I will e-mail Morningside Library to see if they have the book of monumental inscriptions. If so, then I could just walk straight to the cemetery and also have a look at Cluny Drive, which is where my great-grandfather Charles died.
On our trip to Edinburgh last September we went to one churchyard in Portobello which was on Portobello High Street, but didn't find any Grieve gravestones there. I don't know what that churchyard was called. We also found another churchyard on the left hand side of the road virtually opposite - I think the road led down to the old Municipal Baths - but that churchyard was locked. Again I don't know the name of that churchyard. Do you have any idea of the names of those 2 churchyards?
My great-great-uncle John lived at 111 Joppa Road in the 1901 census (in his mother-in-law's house) - I know that house doesn't exist any more as we drove along Joppa Road to try and find it. According to his death certificate, the house was called Coillesdene - so that's presumably why Coillesdene Drive is so named, because the road is where the house used to be.
Having found Milton Road East on multi-map, I know that we didn't drive along that road - we stayed in Portobello itself. So the main Portobello Cemetery sounds a good place to search as it's pretty close to where he lived. I don't know what church he would have attended if that would make any difference as to where he would be buried.
Do you know if there is a book of Portobello Cemetery monumental inscriptions in the same way you said that there is one for Morningside Cemetery?
Also thanks for the tip about contacting East Lothian Archives. Their website recommends making a reserve booking for the microfilm/fiche reader in advance, so I will confirm their location at the same time.
Although I originally started out on here looking for James, it's been so helpful having everybody's input giving advice on where to look for different things - it has really helped answer other questions. Posed some new ones too!
Hope you all have a good day.
Best wishes
Claudette
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AndrewP
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Hi Claudette,
I was in the Central Library this evening and had a look at the books on Morningside Cemetery. No sign of Charles Grieve (1906) there. If he was buried tere, then he either had no headstone, or the headstone was not there in 1981 when the cemetery was surveyed; or he may have been buried elsewhere.
I looked for John Grieve (1907) in a book of Portobello & Restalrig MIs. That book covered Portobello Old Churchyard, St Marks Episcopalian Churchyard, Restalrig Churchyard and the Jewish burial section of Piershill Cemetery. No sign of John in any of them (assuming he had a headstone and it is still standing). So if he is buried in the Portobello area, then that would leave Portobello Cemetery or Piershill Cemetery, or futher out Seafield Cemetery or Eatern Cemetery.
No sign of any MI books there for any of the other cemeteries in that area.
Just another thought, there is also Duddingston Kirkyard not so far from the area.
All the best,
AndrewP
I was in the Central Library this evening and had a look at the books on Morningside Cemetery. No sign of Charles Grieve (1906) there. If he was buried tere, then he either had no headstone, or the headstone was not there in 1981 when the cemetery was surveyed; or he may have been buried elsewhere.
I looked for John Grieve (1907) in a book of Portobello & Restalrig MIs. That book covered Portobello Old Churchyard, St Marks Episcopalian Churchyard, Restalrig Churchyard and the Jewish burial section of Piershill Cemetery. No sign of John in any of them (assuming he had a headstone and it is still standing). So if he is buried in the Portobello area, then that would leave Portobello Cemetery or Piershill Cemetery, or futher out Seafield Cemetery or Eatern Cemetery.
No sign of any MI books there for any of the other cemeteries in that area.
Just another thought, there is also Duddingston Kirkyard not so far from the area.
All the best,
AndrewP