New Look Scotland's People Site November 2022

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WilmaM
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New Look Scotland's People Site November 2022

Post by WilmaM » Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:41 pm

I've had a quick look at Scotland's People after the complete shut down yesterday.

The overall look of it has changed - font and sizing, slight pages layout changes.

The main difference is NO 1921 census - #-o [still 6 weeks left of 2022, patience my friends, patience]

The main plus point I can see is Mother's maiden Name is included on the birth indexes, making it much easier to find the correct child. Only pre 1920 from what I can see.

Annoyingly - the Mother's maiden name on the Death index isn't always visible on newer records - BUT there's a wee 'see more' tab which does have it and some other reference information about the record.

Another thing I'm missing is the big green 'Advanced Search' box at the top of all the pages - I used that frequently to access , OPR or census records when searching Statutory ones, and vice versa.

The number of records on each results page is now 25 [so smaller type], and 20 on saved searches.

What other changes have you noticed?
What glitches have been uncovered so far?

Share the Knowledge please.
Wilma

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Re: New Look Scotland's People Site November 2022

Post by WilmaM » Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:16 pm

Annoyingly - the Mother's maiden name on the Death index isn't always visible on newer records - BUT there's a wee 'see more' tab which does have it and some other reference information about the record.
Update: when I went back to it, that little feature had vanished! [sigh]
or did I stumble across a hidden feature that has now been switched off?

Another problem has arisen, when searching for just one parish, without selecting the County it gives results for the whole country.
ie I chose Oliver in Abercorn and got 7 pages of results, when I chose West Lothian and Abercorn I only got 1 page.
Wilma

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Re: New Look Scotland's People Site November 2022

Post by AndrewP » Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:32 pm

WilmaM wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:16 pm
Another problem has arisen, when searching for just one parish, without selecting the County it gives results for the whole country.
ie I chose Oliver in Abercorn and got 7 pages of results, when I chose West Lothian and Abercorn I only got 1 page.
I have run a check on that for a small parish - looking for births of surname Paterson in Ecclesmachan - it returns 17 results, whether selected with or without the county (West Lothian).

As the majority of them have the mother's maiden name included, I can sort on that column and get a number of family groups listed together.

All the best,

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Re: New Look Scotland's People Site November 2022

Post by DavidMK » Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:18 pm

My first reaction, is the abbreviated reference No on census pages, makes it impossible to determine family groupings , a feature i probably used more than anything to get as much free info as possible prior to ordering.NUTS!
Kilgour,Cairns,McNaught,Murray.Park,Thomson,Hannah
Cunningham,Marshall,Dun, McCrossan,
McFarlane,McMillan, Connel, Waters.Torley;Scannell;Kean;Howard;Kinsella

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Re: New Look Scotland's People Site November 2022

Post by AndrewP » Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:40 pm

DavidMK wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:18 pm
My first reaction, is the abbreviated reference No on census pages, makes it impossible to determine family groupings , a feature i probably used more than anything to get as much free info as possible prior to ordering.NUTS!
I looked for my paternal grandfather with his brothers and sisters in Edinburgh (St George district) in the 1911 census. Although all of the results were in that one registration district, I sorted the 45 results over 2 pages in order of reference number. The four siblings were all grouped together. I take the implication from that outcome, that the full index [registration district number, enumeration district number, page number] are all there underlying, but not displayed. So family groups appear together when sorted in that way, but not visibly listed in the easy view that we had before.

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Re: New Look Scotland's People Site November 2022

Post by Andy » Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:15 pm

Hi all,

I logged onto the upgraded site as soon as it was ready. Last Thursday afternoon.

I was very impressed with the integration between the actual sources and the intermittent indexes.

For all of Thursday afternoon there was a wee EYE icon to the left of every Birth and Death search results. Heaps of these had mother's maiden surname attached to the index even when they don't on the general search results.

I was a bit less impressed when I found that Wildcards aren't recognised automatically you have to choose the option.

I was wondering why I couldn't find any McQuilk?n results for Greenock. The question mark should have found all ending with AN, EN and IN.

Also found that when I search for all Keoghs in the Country of Renfrewshire everyone turns up. If I narrow it down to Greenock it misses all Keoghs born in Greenock Old and West parish.

If you choose all the historic town in what is now Inverclyde, Gourock, Greenock Old & West and Port Glasgow results don't show.

Inverclyde results only show up if you implicitly choose ONLY Inverclyde.

Found the same in various parts of Argyll.

I posted these findings on a couple of Facebook Groups and was soon receiving questions like'What wee EYE icons?'

I was on Santa duty all weekend but when I checked again on Monday morning the icons to the indexes had disappeared. What a loss, wish I had the time to utilise them better when they were available.

Today's additional of the 2021 census is a welcome addition.

However, when I checked for William Keogh in Renfrew/Greenock I couldn't find my Grandfather. Including ALL Renfewshire found him immediately. Same for other granulated (drilling down by County and Town) searches in different areas.

The User Group used to beta and alpha test these upgrades well ahead of going live. There are too many glitches and changes for this version to be completely fit for purpose.

I have already found some workarounds and, when my Santa duties allow, will post my suggestions.

Cheers,

Andy
Searching for Keogh, Kelly, Fitzgerald, Riddell, Stewart, Wilson, McQuilkin, Lynch, Boyle, Cairney, Ross, King, McIlravey, McCurdy, Drennan and Woods (to name but a few).

Also looking for any information on Rathlin Island, County Antrim, Ireland.

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Re: New Look Scotland's People Site November 2022

Post by Andy » Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:19 pm

By 2021 census, above, I meant 1921.
Searching for Keogh, Kelly, Fitzgerald, Riddell, Stewart, Wilson, McQuilkin, Lynch, Boyle, Cairney, Ross, King, McIlravey, McCurdy, Drennan and Woods (to name but a few).

Also looking for any information on Rathlin Island, County Antrim, Ireland.

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Re: New Look Scotland's People Site November 2022

Post by hbaird2 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:45 pm

Anyone else noticed that the default search option for forenames has been changed to "Names that begin with" instead of "Exact names". It is impossible to search for someone if you are using a middle name to refine your search with this default. Even changing the selection back to exact names gives you a weird and wonderful list of people. So far I have tried to search for someone using both default options and with a middle forename and SP has returned three different lists of people but none of them include the person I'm looking for. Any ideas, anyone?

Thanks,
Helen

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Re: New Look Scotland's People Site November 2022

Post by WilmaM » Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:40 am

Oddly Helen I'd noticed that it was sticking to 'Exact Names' rather than switching to 'Wildcards Allowed' when a wildcard [ * or ? ] were inserted - which was causing some frustration here.

I suspect it'll take a while for:
a. us to get used to the slightly new set-up
b. all the glitches to be sorted
Wilma

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