can i ask for some help please

[WilmaM]

The Paisley address would be Causeyside [now Street].
It's a Main Street running south from Paisley Cross.
It would have been a very busy place with thread & shawl factories and warehouses and lots of housing .
Probably named after a causeway across the River Cart before they built bridges.

Do you have them on the 1841 census?
this looks like them:

Piece: SCT1841/573 Place: Paisley -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Paisley High Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 4 Page: 21
Address: 12 Storrie St

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
STEWART Charles M 35 Pattern Setter Renfrewshire
STEWART Elizabeth F 35 England
STEWART Mary F 15 Renfrewshire
STEWART Hellen F 14 Renfrewshire
STEWART William M 12 Renfrewshire
STEWART David M 10 Renfrewshire
STEWART Charles M 8 Renfrewshire
STEWART Elizabeth F 6 Renfrewshire
STEWART John M 2 Renfrewshire
STEWART Robert M 1m Renfrewshire

Mother is English - so marriage could be south of the border.
Storie street is parallel to Causeyside, one street west.

This seems to be the above family in 1851:

Piece: SCT1851/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: Outer High Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 549 Page: 9 Schedule: 30
Address: 9 Stirling Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
STEWART Charles Head M M 44 Printer Renfrewshire - Paisley
STEWART (Mrs) Wife M F 44 England - -
STEWART Mary Dau U F 25 Warehouse Girl Renfrewshire - Paisley
STEWART William Son U M 22 Printer Renfrewshire - Paisley
STEWART David Son U M 20 Printer Renfrewshire - Paisley
STEWART Charles Son U M 18 Wright Renfrewshire - Paisley
STEWART Elizabeth Dau U F 16 Warehouse Girl Renfrewshire - Paisley
STEWART John G Son U M 11 Scholar Renfrewshire - Paisley
STEWART Robert Son U M 9 Scholar Renfrewshire - Paisley
STEWART Henry Son U M 3 Lanarkshire - Glasgow
STEWART Harriet F Dau U F 1 Lanarkshire - Glasgow

Helen is missing - maybe married, and the wee 1month Robert too I'd check for her marriage or deaths for both of them for any further clues.

[jannette]

many thanks for doing this , i am using my sons laptop and i think a whole lot of problems is to do with the security he has on it , in FreeCen , i get no information on everything i put in ,
strange this as i do recall a Harriet somewhere along the lines ,and thought a odd name for some reason , sure i sort of tried this Family and i am wondering if one of these Females is tied in with the William Jamieson who moved from Paisley to Pawtucket , and this our connection with them diff story though
and Elizabeth Refrew i can check in Egland ,
just a horrible name to search for ,
cheers
Jannette

[AndrewP]

The family group that Wilma has shown above in the two censuses are Charles Stewart and Elisabeth/Elizabeth Patrick. The online IGI and the index on ScotlandsPeople show 11 children born to this couple. These are the 10 above and one son not named (died young?) born 16-May-1837. The child baptised as John (born 05-Mar-1833, baptised 15-Mar-1833) appears to be the son known as Charles on the two census reports. John G Stewart came along a few years later.

[added later]
Charles Stewart, son of Charles Stewart and Elizabeth Patrick married in 1856, and by the 1861 census had two children. The online IGI shows 9 children born to this couple between 1856 and 1873 (the online IGI for births stops at 1874). Charles Stewart who died in the poorhouse in 1873 was (allegedly) single. One of the sons of Charles Stewart (m 1856) was married in 1898, and did not declare his father as deceased. When his wife died in 1905, she was described as 'wife of' and not 'widower of', so presumably that Charles was still alive (although he did not register the death).

All the best,

AndrewP

[jannette]

mighty me , i am so confused really i am , i do recall a Eliz Patrick , somewhere in my last search many years ago and no i never found anything out on was a Charles who seemed to appear from no where , i am taking a risk saying this he was a Nephew he did appear aged around 8yrs old , from who knows where , so maybe hes just lived with relations and put down that as his parents ,i am clueless , i have been back and forth to this a long time , and it was easier to give up , i cant use NRH tonight as i am reg but i cant remember details and my email add diff ,i dont want to do in as new user , living in hope i have info somewhere there , i just cant help in anyway as i have ziltch to give you ,
but the census for 73 King Street 1871 will Give you Eliz Cameron and Charles Stewart more of less assuming they arent a couple , she as a border or something ,her Mother Frances Cameron m/s McGill was there a while but died in 1871,she isnt on 1871 census ,
when Charles signed Frances BC in 1864 giving a marriage in Glasgow and the year , its just plain cruel , really is , and until i can get into reg house stuck at this end ,
but will try ringing them tomorrow , once again thanks for this help , sometimes others can see something i cant

[AndrewP]

As Charles's 1873 death certificate says his usual residence was 73 King Street, it is reasonable that the Charles Stewart in the 1871 census at 73 King Street is the same Charles. On the census form, it looks like the occupations and birthplaces are out by one line. Charles was a hawker, age 38, born in Paisley; and Elizabeth Cameron was a housekeeper, age 38, born in Glasgow, and Elizabeth's children, both born in Glasgow.

However, they were imaginative or forgetful. Elizabeth's daughter Fanny was registered as Frances Stewart (born 73 King Street), daughter of Charles Stewart and Elizabeth Stewart, ms Cameron, married 17 March 1861, Glasgow; registered by Charles Stewart (father). A few years later, her son James was registered as James Cameron (born 73 King Street), illegitimate (mother Elizabeth Cameron, no mention of a marriage); registered by Fanny Cameron (grandmother). There is no sign on ScotlandsPeople of the 1861 marriage that he told the registrar about.

Food for thought,

AndrewP

[jannette]

i spent a lot of credits looking for a marriage for him and found nothing , i just cant afford to spend that much now unless i have the right ppl ,

i also noted from the census sent in tonight , didnt it say on one he was a Wright ? just just a can of worms really , maybe hard to believe , i found Elizabeths Brother who went to American with her Fathers Sisters , one was killed in the Civil war , the other had his leg cut off due to war , his Great Grand Daughter has done some of the Tree and found nothing on Elizabeth other than James being born at 73 King Street , she lost him after that i can only say i wonder why as she was looking for Cameron , and i was looking for Stewart ,
jannette

[nelmit]

It is indeed a very confusing family. Here is a post from a few years ago.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13251&hilit=james+c ... g&start=20

and my summing up at the time after looking at poorhouse records and visiting Park Circus.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13251&hilit=james+c ... g&start=30

Regards,
Annette

[jannette]

hi Annette
yes you found the poor house records on Charles for me , i just cant seem to get any further back ,and i am locked out of NRH i cant seen to get a new password from them at all,
jannette

[jannette]

after a week of trying FHC , and Find My Past , i cant find anything new to add , thought i might try my grandparents children , sadly thats another can of worms , i cant find the births or deaths of 3 that i know were alive , wondering if they had diff christian names and just knows as names i have ,
still cant access my account at NRH

[jannette]

ear Jannette

In the 1800's or at any time, you could use whichever surname you wanted to as long as this was not
for illegal purposes. Basically if you wanted to use a different surname, then you could ( and still
can ) and it is not a legal requirement that this be registered anywhere though many people would
wish to do that.

On the site however there is a birth entry for James Cameron born May 13th 1867 in the Calton area
of Glasgow, mother Elizabeth



With kind regards,
the reply i got from scotlands people , so seems you can marry with just using any name -----------i would have thought not you had to produce a birth cert when you married as you do when you die odd never mind i am still going no where fast